1 00:00:09,060 --> 00:00:21,589 [Music] 2 00:00:28,460 --> 00:00:24,839 you're in the para cast the gold 3 00:00:35,009 --> 00:00:28,470 standard of paranormal radio and now 4 00:00:36,780 --> 00:00:35,019 here's gene Steinberg we're back at the 5 00:00:39,299 --> 00:00:36,790 parrot cast last week of course we had a 6 00:00:42,090 --> 00:00:39,309 really fascinating session with our 7 00:00:44,490 --> 00:00:42,100 guest co-host and forum moderator gods 8 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:44,500 Makai and Micah Hanks and everything 9 00:00:49,259 --> 00:00:46,570 Micah says is always really provocative 10 00:00:51,840 --> 00:00:49,269 and this week we're going to mine in a 11 00:00:53,160 --> 00:00:51,850 new way a subject we've dealt with in 12 00:00:53,490 --> 00:00:53,170 the past but we'll get to that in a 13 00:00:56,490 --> 00:00:53,500 moment 14 00:00:59,429 --> 00:00:56,500 Chris back east you actually gave a 15 00:01:03,780 --> 00:00:59,439 lecture to I did to some of our 16 00:01:06,109 --> 00:01:03,790 listeners and others I did indeed I had 17 00:01:08,399 --> 00:01:06,119 a great time actually I was quite 18 00:01:10,620 --> 00:01:08,409 surprised that some of the very 19 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:10,630 compelling video footage that Jaime 20 00:01:16,380 --> 00:01:14,290 Masson brought up from Mexico I'd say 21 00:01:18,810 --> 00:01:16,390 about half of it you know it's a little 22 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:18,820 bit sketchy I think there was some 23 00:01:25,410 --> 00:01:22,050 obvious hoaxes there it's impossible 24 00:01:27,630 --> 00:01:25,420 misidentified natural phenomena but I 25 00:01:29,370 --> 00:01:27,640 think that there was quite a number of 26 00:01:32,100 --> 00:01:29,380 clips a very very compelling footage 27 00:01:34,649 --> 00:01:32,110 that finally you know he's then quite a 28 00:01:35,219 --> 00:01:34,659 vacuum cleaner to the past a couple of 29 00:01:36,960 --> 00:01:35,229 decades 30 00:01:38,820 --> 00:01:36,970 you know getting footage from all over 31 00:01:41,370 --> 00:01:38,830 the world and found of Russian stuff was 32 00:01:44,969 --> 00:01:41,380 particularly compelling obviously the 33 00:01:46,920 --> 00:01:44,979 Mexico footage is also compelling but I 34 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:46,930 was surprised at some of the quality 35 00:01:51,899 --> 00:01:49,330 footage that he was able to you know 36 00:01:54,719 --> 00:01:51,909 show the audience where that came from 37 00:01:56,910 --> 00:01:54,729 you know Russia there was a couple of 38 00:01:59,000 --> 00:01:56,920 clips in Poland that were very good you 39 00:02:01,410 --> 00:01:59,010 know I mean I think it was starting to 40 00:02:03,750 --> 00:02:01,420 take a back feed in the conference 41 00:02:07,230 --> 00:02:03,760 circuit and he's talking about coming up 42 00:02:09,389 --> 00:02:07,240 with a 24-hour UFO network that will be 43 00:02:12,059 --> 00:02:09,399 broadcast worldwide and he's hard at 44 00:02:13,710 --> 00:02:12,069 work on getting that particular project 45 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:13,720 off the ground he's hoping to have it up 46 00:02:21,149 --> 00:02:17,290 and running by February 2015 now he I 47 00:02:23,490 --> 00:02:21,159 think one time had almost agreed to come 48 00:02:25,530 --> 00:02:23,500 in the para cast but our previous 49 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:25,540 co-hosts who was somewhat skeptical over 50 00:02:30,930 --> 00:02:28,050 the fact that Jaime would sometimes 51 00:02:31,860 --> 00:02:30,940 accept a little too much if you get my 52 00:02:39,089 --> 00:02:31,870 point 53 00:02:41,070 --> 00:02:39,099 why that would be be stated I do think 54 00:02:43,589 --> 00:02:41,080 that you know he does have quite a bit 55 00:02:46,289 --> 00:02:43,599 of air time to fill every week so I 56 00:02:49,350 --> 00:02:46,299 think that might you know lessen his 57 00:02:52,830 --> 00:02:49,360 filtering a bit and like I said there 58 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:52,840 were some very obvious posters that he 59 00:02:56,759 --> 00:02:55,090 presented in he's very careful I think 60 00:03:00,270 --> 00:02:56,769 over the years he's gotten a little bit 61 00:03:02,789 --> 00:03:00,280 more objective black you know he's in 62 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:02,799 the entertainment business so you know 63 00:03:07,460 --> 00:03:05,290 he does present some you know some stuff 64 00:03:10,890 --> 00:03:07,470 that you know may be very titillating 65 00:03:12,990 --> 00:03:10,900 but you know there was a nod from the 66 00:03:16,380 --> 00:03:13,000 crowd and some of the stuff and I just 67 00:03:17,610 --> 00:03:16,390 wanted to talk in my hand and make some 68 00:03:20,910 --> 00:03:17,620 reason no it's but I thought it but I 69 00:03:23,490 --> 00:03:20,920 didn't yeah anyway he he is going to be 70 00:03:27,660 --> 00:03:23,500 putting together it like I said a full 71 00:03:30,300 --> 00:03:27,670 you know 24-hour UFO channel and that 72 00:03:32,430 --> 00:03:30,310 idea if it can get off the ground could 73 00:03:35,039 --> 00:03:32,440 be a real step forward I think for the 74 00:03:37,860 --> 00:03:35,049 field if it's done properly and not like 75 00:03:39,509 --> 00:03:37,870 the twins that shall not be named well 76 00:03:41,490 --> 00:03:39,519 that's the big point and let's hope he 77 00:03:43,349 --> 00:03:41,500 does it if and when he does it we 78 00:03:45,860 --> 00:03:43,359 definitely should invite him on the para 79 00:03:50,339 --> 00:03:45,870 cast and discuss all these issues I 80 00:03:52,500 --> 00:03:50,349 agree now this particular venue in which 81 00:03:55,619 --> 00:03:52,510 you spoke it was a UFO convention of 82 00:03:58,379 --> 00:03:55,629 some kind yeah you remember Pat Market 83 00:04:00,270 --> 00:03:58,389 oh hello I think yeah I can never say 84 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:00,280 his name correctly either but I've known 85 00:04:05,300 --> 00:04:02,889 him for many years yes right and he did 86 00:04:08,759 --> 00:04:05,310 mention that he met you many moons ago 87 00:04:12,809 --> 00:04:08,769 in a galaxy far far away that's before I 88 00:04:16,710 --> 00:04:12,819 morphed into a different character right 89 00:04:19,979 --> 00:04:16,720 well he has put on I think he put on the 90 00:04:22,710 --> 00:04:19,989 first 50 of these gatherings twice a 91 00:04:25,980 --> 00:04:22,720 year for 25 years and he's passed the 92 00:04:27,900 --> 00:04:25,990 baton to Dave Bennett who's a very very 93 00:04:30,510 --> 00:04:27,910 nice guy I just really enjoyed meeting 94 00:04:33,210 --> 00:04:30,520 Dave and the folks that helped put on 95 00:04:35,159 --> 00:04:33,220 the conference they're really sweet 96 00:04:39,390 --> 00:04:35,169 people really nice they treated me like 97 00:04:42,300 --> 00:04:39,400 royalty I felt very at home at ease 98 00:04:44,339 --> 00:04:42,310 they're very gracious I really think 99 00:04:45,780 --> 00:04:44,349 that they are doing a good job out there 100 00:04:48,840 --> 00:04:45,790 you know there's some 101 00:04:52,350 --> 00:04:48,850 question about to the leader ISM and and 102 00:04:55,260 --> 00:04:52,360 the wanna belief scenario but one of the 103 00:04:57,870 --> 00:04:55,270 reasons why Dave said that they invited 104 00:04:59,610 --> 00:04:57,880 me was because you know they they want 105 00:05:01,320 --> 00:04:59,620 to start during the conference towards a 106 00:05:05,130 --> 00:05:01,330 more nuts and bolts Leon 107 00:05:08,660 --> 00:05:05,140 boots-on-the-ground real objective type 108 00:05:10,890 --> 00:05:08,670 presentations that don't you know patia 109 00:05:14,070 --> 00:05:10,900 potentially dive off into the realm of 110 00:05:15,480 --> 00:05:14,080 suspension of disbelief and and I really 111 00:05:17,940 --> 00:05:15,490 think that they are very well 112 00:05:19,800 --> 00:05:17,950 intentioned and I really got a good 113 00:05:21,600 --> 00:05:19,810 sense from them and and I really think 114 00:05:24,450 --> 00:05:21,610 that there are something you look to 115 00:05:26,220 --> 00:05:24,460 ratchet up the believability and the 116 00:05:29,490 --> 00:05:26,230 seriousness of the subject so you know 117 00:05:32,610 --> 00:05:29,500 as they cover in future event now what 118 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:32,620 precisely did you talk about the cattle 119 00:05:36,900 --> 00:05:34,930 mutilations the mysterious valley a 120 00:05:39,300 --> 00:05:36,910 little bit of everything a little bit of 121 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:39,310 everything I did touch on some of the 122 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:41,770 subject I'll be speaking on Travis 123 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:44,170 Walton get together and Eber okay you're 124 00:05:50,010 --> 00:05:46,090 talking of course about yesterday's 125 00:05:52,860 --> 00:05:50,020 event yeah I did I covered a number of 126 00:05:54,620 --> 00:05:52,870 subjects but I did focus on the stock in 127 00:05:57,780 --> 00:05:54,630 the herd material from a new book and 128 00:06:00,810 --> 00:05:57,790 I'm going to be sweet where I spoke 129 00:06:05,430 --> 00:06:00,820 yesterday now at the Hebrew conference 130 00:06:09,330 --> 00:06:05,440 was the Travis Walton fire to call the 131 00:06:10,890 --> 00:06:09,340 sky fire stomach and I did cover mostly 132 00:06:14,010 --> 00:06:10,900 though in New Jersey I did cover monthly 133 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:14,020 or stalking her material just want 134 00:06:20,940 --> 00:06:16,690 listeners to know that Chris is on his 135 00:06:22,380 --> 00:06:20,950 iPhone at a hotel we tried to get Skype 136 00:06:24,090 --> 00:06:22,390 to work again and he has to do a 137 00:06:26,850 --> 00:06:24,100 software update which we'll have time to 138 00:06:28,980 --> 00:06:26,860 do later the other issue is we tried the 139 00:06:31,350 --> 00:06:28,990 hotel phone figuring on landline phones 140 00:06:37,200 --> 00:06:31,360 got to sound better on iphone and guess 141 00:06:37,950 --> 00:06:37,210 what it doesn't kind of deal with the 142 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:37,960 hand you're dealt 143 00:06:41,700 --> 00:06:40,330 in the meantime I'm in the middle of a 144 00:06:45,780 --> 00:06:41,710 trip taking 12 145 00:06:48,570 --> 00:06:45,790 I think the Pakistani and indeed around 146 00:06:49,260 --> 00:06:48,580 well actually they're all all Muslims 147 00:06:52,410 --> 00:06:49,270 actually uh 148 00:06:54,060 --> 00:06:52,420 I'm going to have a real fun time I had 149 00:06:55,530 --> 00:06:54,070 a fun time yesterday checking them 150 00:06:58,830 --> 00:06:55,540 through the Phoenix Airport there's one 151 00:07:03,920 --> 00:06:58,840 guy named Mohammed Mohammed 152 00:07:06,150 --> 00:07:03,930 and there's from Therese and Abdul and 153 00:07:09,110 --> 00:07:06,160 fun time is being had by all 154 00:07:11,129 --> 00:07:09,120 there they're a very very introspective 155 00:07:14,340 --> 00:07:11,139 meditation group that goes around the 156 00:07:17,040 --> 00:07:14,350 world through power spots and it does 157 00:07:19,970 --> 00:07:17,050 you know very expensive meditation work 158 00:07:22,950 --> 00:07:19,980 I'm having a great time they're real 159 00:07:24,780 --> 00:07:22,960 they're real how about I put this low 160 00:07:26,930 --> 00:07:24,790 maintenance in many ways I don't really 161 00:07:29,970 --> 00:07:26,940 have to be my normal tour guide self but 162 00:07:31,980 --> 00:07:29,980 at the same time you know there are 163 00:07:35,550 --> 00:07:31,990 foreigners in a strangers in a strange 164 00:07:37,620 --> 00:07:35,560 land so that comes with its own sort of 165 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:37,630 added threat of difficulties but they're 166 00:07:41,670 --> 00:07:40,210 having a great time we really had some 167 00:07:44,460 --> 00:07:41,680 fun going around to some of the more 168 00:07:46,140 --> 00:07:44,470 enigmatic spots here in the sedona area 169 00:07:48,270 --> 00:07:46,150 and we had a couple of really good days 170 00:07:50,460 --> 00:07:48,280 up in Grand Canyon they took their 171 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:50,470 helicopter tour which just totally broke 172 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:51,970 the ice and they just were really 173 00:07:57,840 --> 00:07:54,370 thrilled with that and I'm gonna be 174 00:08:00,990 --> 00:07:57,850 going up to Colorado visiting families 175 00:08:03,840 --> 00:08:01,000 Valley native bird egg joven leap Chaco 176 00:08:04,350 --> 00:08:03,850 Canyon and then it's off to the San Luis 177 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:04,360 Valley 178 00:08:08,670 --> 00:08:06,250 press thumbs down the cows and then 179 00:08:10,020 --> 00:08:08,680 Fanta fake and then hopefully I get a 180 00:08:11,790 --> 00:08:10,030 break because I will have been on the 181 00:08:15,300 --> 00:08:11,800 photo for three weeks at that point 182 00:08:17,430 --> 00:08:15,310 though man it's been a whirlwind gene 183 00:08:20,670 --> 00:08:17,440 well then we send you to the rest home 184 00:08:22,409 --> 00:08:20,680 that's where people who get involved in 185 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:22,419 this scope alright let's talk a little 186 00:08:27,870 --> 00:08:25,330 bit about our guest today and we're kind 187 00:08:29,940 --> 00:08:27,880 of mining territory we've covered to a 188 00:08:33,690 --> 00:08:29,950 slight degree with Grant Cameron of 189 00:08:36,690 --> 00:08:33,700 course which is US presidents and UFOs 190 00:08:39,060 --> 00:08:36,700 and our guest is Larry Holcomb the book 191 00:08:42,870 --> 00:08:39,070 is called the presidents in UFOs a 192 00:08:44,310 --> 00:08:42,880 secret history from FDR to Obama now let 193 00:08:46,980 --> 00:08:44,320 me point out the book is going to be 194 00:08:49,860 --> 00:08:46,990 published by st. Martin's Press next 195 00:08:51,930 --> 00:08:49,870 year I will publisher right except that 196 00:08:54,870 --> 00:08:51,940 they send us a PDF version of what they 197 00:08:57,720 --> 00:08:54,880 call the uncorrect at galleries so by 198 00:08:59,490 --> 00:08:57,730 being a nun corrected digital galley you 199 00:09:01,350 --> 00:08:59,500 know we're getting the essence of the 200 00:09:03,300 --> 00:09:01,360 book but there might be errors I should 201 00:09:05,519 --> 00:09:03,310 point out that it's a very well 202 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:05,529 presented book of what I read pretty 203 00:09:10,590 --> 00:09:06,970 well written it 204 00:09:12,869 --> 00:09:10,600 as a forward by none other than Stanton 205 00:09:14,939 --> 00:09:12,879 Friedman so Stanton Friedman is 206 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:14,949 therefore putting a stamp of approval on 207 00:09:18,929 --> 00:09:17,290 this book yeah uh-huh 208 00:09:20,790 --> 00:09:18,939 so this is gonna be a fascinating 209 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:20,800 discussion lots of questions from our 210 00:09:25,499 --> 00:09:22,569 listeners the book is called the 211 00:09:29,850 --> 00:09:25,509 presidents in UFOs a secret history from 212 00:09:31,980 --> 00:09:29,860 FDR to Obama and Larry Holcomb is our 213 00:09:34,170 --> 00:09:31,990 guest before we break I want to tell you 214 00:09:36,569 --> 00:09:34,180 about our new service the power cast 215 00:09:39,269 --> 00:09:36,579 plus the power cast plus is a 216 00:09:41,790 --> 00:09:39,279 subscription service where we offer add 217 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:41,800 free versions of the show for a modest 218 00:09:46,259 --> 00:09:44,410 monthly or annual fee to learn more 219 00:09:48,840 --> 00:09:46,269 about the power cast plus go to our 220 00:09:51,929 --> 00:09:48,850 forums forum got the power cast com 221 00:09:57,170 --> 00:09:51,939 forum dr. 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hear from you if 307 00:14:15,540 --> 00:14:07,180 you have a comment or question about the 308 00:14:17,460 --> 00:14:15,550 para caste news news cast and don't 309 00:14:22,670 --> 00:14:17,470 forget to visit our famous para caste 310 00:14:25,020 --> 00:14:22,680 community forums at forum the podcast 311 00:14:27,960 --> 00:14:25,030 joining us on the para cast this week 312 00:14:30,990 --> 00:14:27,970 with gene and Chris is Larry Holcomb who 313 00:14:34,170 --> 00:14:31,000 is author of the president's and UFOs a 314 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:34,180 secret history from FDR to Obama it's 315 00:14:38,700 --> 00:14:36,010 coming next year from st. Martin's Press 316 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:38,710 and it has an introduction from Stanton 317 00:14:43,890 --> 00:14:41,170 Friedman right now the copy of the book 318 00:14:45,660 --> 00:14:43,900 I have is a nun corrected galley and 319 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:45,670 what that means is I may read things 320 00:14:49,470 --> 00:14:47,650 there that you know you made a mistake 321 00:14:51,150 --> 00:14:49,480 but that's what happens when you write a 322 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:51,160 book especially one that's you know like 323 00:14:56,340 --> 00:14:54,970 almost 350 pages so we expect that and 324 00:14:59,040 --> 00:14:56,350 we'll cover a lot of ground and we also 325 00:15:00,750 --> 00:14:59,050 have questions from our listeners that 326 00:15:03,540 --> 00:15:00,760 also cover a lot of this ground and 327 00:15:06,030 --> 00:15:03,550 let's see where we take it now Larry 328 00:15:09,210 --> 00:15:06,040 before we get started I read somewhere 329 00:15:11,490 --> 00:15:09,220 that you got interested in UFOs through 330 00:15:13,890 --> 00:15:11,500 the same source I did flying saucers 331 00:15:14,460 --> 00:15:13,900 from outer space by Donald Kehoe is that 332 00:15:16,890 --> 00:15:14,470 correct 333 00:15:19,470 --> 00:15:16,900 that's exactly right that was a long 334 00:15:21,800 --> 00:15:19,480 time ago but that flying saucers from 335 00:15:24,510 --> 00:15:21,810 outer space and flying saucers are real 336 00:15:27,000 --> 00:15:24,520 found those books in my high school 337 00:15:30,330 --> 00:15:27,010 library when I was a junior I believe 338 00:15:34,140 --> 00:15:30,340 and was hooked on the subject was hooked 339 00:15:36,270 --> 00:15:34,150 on Kehoe's passion and believability 340 00:15:40,040 --> 00:15:36,280 that the Air Force was involved in the 341 00:15:43,650 --> 00:15:40,050 cover-up at that time and have 342 00:15:45,300 --> 00:15:43,660 Hollanders ever since and and once I saw 343 00:15:47,700 --> 00:15:45,310 Keo on the old Armstrong 344 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:47,710 circle theater debating air force and 345 00:15:54,330 --> 00:15:52,090 saw the air force Karpis sound in the in 346 00:15:58,380 --> 00:15:54,340 the toward the end of the broadcast I 347 00:16:00,420 --> 00:15:58,390 knew for a fact that that there was a 348 00:16:06,650 --> 00:16:00,430 cover-up that there was censorship going 349 00:16:09,930 --> 00:16:06,660 on so I've been devoted to research into 350 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:09,940 mainstream ufology ever since 351 00:16:15,360 --> 00:16:12,250 let me bring listeners up today on what 352 00:16:19,850 --> 00:16:15,370 happened here this is back in the 1950s 353 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:19,860 major Keyhoe appears on this CBS TV show 354 00:16:25,829 --> 00:16:24,130 right now the show is scripted what this 355 00:16:28,430 --> 00:16:25,839 means is that he had to read off a 356 00:16:32,310 --> 00:16:28,440 teleprompter exactly what he was saying 357 00:16:34,370 --> 00:16:32,320 the problem is here supposedly he was 358 00:16:36,630 --> 00:16:34,380 upset over the fact that they kept 359 00:16:38,310 --> 00:16:36,640 censoring what he wanted to say he'd say 360 00:16:41,130 --> 00:16:38,320 this he want to say that and they said 361 00:16:42,540 --> 00:16:41,140 no we've got to remove that from the 362 00:16:45,630 --> 00:16:42,550 script because she can't support 363 00:16:48,060 --> 00:16:45,640 whatever so it got to a point where 364 00:16:50,550 --> 00:16:48,070 evidently he was so frustrated when he 365 00:16:52,829 --> 00:16:50,560 got on TV and this was live TV this is 366 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:52,839 not like it's being recorded and they 367 00:16:58,050 --> 00:16:55,210 can fix it in the mix this was live TV 368 00:16:59,820 --> 00:16:58,060 there was no seven second delay you know 369 00:17:02,100 --> 00:16:59,830 now you have a seven second delay so if 370 00:17:05,189 --> 00:17:02,110 somebody uses the wrong language they 371 00:17:06,750 --> 00:17:05,199 fix it our network GCN puts this show on 372 00:17:08,610 --> 00:17:06,760 a seven second delay 373 00:17:10,350 --> 00:17:08,620 we've never had an incident where 374 00:17:12,120 --> 00:17:10,360 someone used the wrong language but 375 00:17:14,579 --> 00:17:12,130 that's what happens tsukino got so 376 00:17:16,290 --> 00:17:14,589 frustrated he started deviating from the 377 00:17:17,730 --> 00:17:16,300 script and he said something like I'm 378 00:17:20,189 --> 00:17:17,740 not saying the right words here it's 379 00:17:21,419 --> 00:17:20,199 just paraphrasing I'm now going to tell 380 00:17:23,850 --> 00:17:21,429 you something you haven't heard before 381 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:23,860 now about as soon as they did this 382 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:27,850 CBS cut them off now as you say Larry 383 00:17:34,710 --> 00:17:30,690 your feeling is that the Air Force 384 00:17:39,540 --> 00:17:34,720 forced CBS to cut them off my 385 00:17:42,120 --> 00:17:39,550 understanding is Gina I am my recalls a 386 00:17:44,310 --> 00:17:42,130 little weak in that area but as I recall 387 00:17:46,830 --> 00:17:44,320 the Air Force brought in a couple of 388 00:17:48,290 --> 00:17:46,840 people one was in the in the booth in 389 00:18:11,790 --> 00:17:48,300 the 390 00:18:14,880 --> 00:18:11,800 that he stayed was that he thought that 391 00:18:17,280 --> 00:18:14,890 he could get a few words in before the 392 00:18:19,410 --> 00:18:17,290 show was over and that's what he tried 393 00:18:21,810 --> 00:18:19,420 to do and in what you said is what I 394 00:18:23,640 --> 00:18:21,820 believe is exactly what he said that he 395 00:18:26,910 --> 00:18:23,650 was going to relate something that had 396 00:18:30,120 --> 00:18:26,920 never been publicly stated before and 397 00:18:32,190 --> 00:18:30,130 that's when whoever whenever wherever 398 00:18:35,010 --> 00:18:32,200 him in the booth or whatever 399 00:18:37,320 --> 00:18:35,020 Cuddy said no and I was furious I was a 400 00:18:40,470 --> 00:18:37,330 kid then but I was furious because back 401 00:18:42,210 --> 00:18:40,480 in those days television was you always 402 00:18:44,190 --> 00:18:42,220 have a network problems you always 403 00:18:47,970 --> 00:18:44,200 having to you know back into was blowing 404 00:18:50,940 --> 00:18:47,980 up in the television cameras what have 405 00:18:53,490 --> 00:18:50,950 you and next morning I got up and read 406 00:18:55,980 --> 00:18:53,500 in the paper that that they'd cut a 407 00:18:58,620 --> 00:18:55,990 sound off that's when he was when he 408 00:19:01,110 --> 00:18:58,630 deviated from the air forces prepared 409 00:19:01,980 --> 00:19:01,120 script yeah that's the background on it 410 00:19:04,620 --> 00:19:01,990 well 411 00:19:06,870 --> 00:19:04,630 I remembered that some years later major 412 00:19:09,630 --> 00:19:06,880 Keyhoe appeared on a radio show long 413 00:19:11,790 --> 00:19:09,640 john nibble now is that we've mentioned 414 00:19:14,670 --> 00:19:11,800 long john on the show before he was the 415 00:19:16,380 --> 00:19:14,680 pioneer in paranormal radio and I'm not 416 00:19:18,990 --> 00:19:16,390 gonna get too extensive into this but 417 00:19:21,210 --> 00:19:19,000 again Kehoe talked about it now you also 418 00:19:22,980 --> 00:19:21,220 read the book from Captain repeal to 419 00:19:25,590 --> 00:19:22,990 report on unidentified flying objects 420 00:19:28,020 --> 00:19:25,600 yes okay so you would basically hooked 421 00:19:30,630 --> 00:19:28,030 as a as a teenager in the UFO subject 422 00:19:32,820 --> 00:19:30,640 now I don't want to be labor the point 423 00:19:36,450 --> 00:19:32,830 but at any time in your life have you 424 00:19:39,690 --> 00:19:36,460 ever seen a UFO yes I state that in the 425 00:19:43,700 --> 00:19:39,700 book and I and I told my story in the in 426 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:43,710 the book with some reservations because 427 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:47,650 as a Reese you follow gist or a 428 00:19:57,110 --> 00:19:53,050 researcher if you will he if you run the 429 00:20:00,810 --> 00:19:57,120 risk of losing credibility if you have 430 00:20:01,590 --> 00:20:00,820 actually seen a UFO I saw something that 431 00:20:05,460 --> 00:20:01,600 I can't 432 00:20:09,299 --> 00:20:05,470 Blayne I saw something one time in my 433 00:20:12,419 --> 00:20:09,309 home on a small Creek a tributary off of 434 00:20:14,430 --> 00:20:12,429 the Chesapeake Bay that I can't explain 435 00:20:18,090 --> 00:20:14,440 and I can't explain it to this day 436 00:20:19,799 --> 00:20:18,100 at the time you know the mind is a 437 00:20:21,090 --> 00:20:19,809 wonderful computer and it's in it's 438 00:20:23,730 --> 00:20:21,100 trying to tell you what you're looking 439 00:20:25,350 --> 00:20:23,740 at it's trying to explain to you what 440 00:20:28,020 --> 00:20:25,360 you're trying to figure out what you're 441 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:28,030 looking at and what I saw made no sense 442 00:20:35,580 --> 00:20:31,770 whatsoever which was up an orb of a boat 443 00:20:38,659 --> 00:20:35,590 probably six feet in diameter and six or 444 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:38,669 seven feet in height that you would you 445 00:20:44,940 --> 00:20:41,770 think of a hot air balloon in miniature 446 00:20:48,270 --> 00:20:44,950 without a basket below it that's what 447 00:20:50,310 --> 00:20:48,280 this looked like and my attention was 448 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:50,320 drawn to it because it was across the 449 00:20:58,740 --> 00:20:54,730 creek and a coal and in the top of a 450 00:21:00,750 --> 00:20:58,750 tree that I was watching because two 451 00:21:02,669 --> 00:21:00,760 very large birds which I think my 452 00:21:04,380 --> 00:21:02,679 Ospreys were circling like they were 453 00:21:07,470 --> 00:21:04,390 caught in the thermal over top of this 454 00:21:09,899 --> 00:21:07,480 tree and I saw this frantic 455 00:21:11,610 --> 00:21:09,909 rustling in the tree and I'm you know 456 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:11,620 your mind is trying to tell you what's 457 00:21:15,950 --> 00:21:13,690 causing this rustling I thought maybe it 458 00:21:18,299 --> 00:21:15,960 was a bird another bird an offspring 459 00:21:22,919 --> 00:21:18,309 that had been caught in fishing line 460 00:21:24,810 --> 00:21:22,929 which is happens a lot on the bay birds 461 00:21:27,510 --> 00:21:24,820 especially seagulls get caught in 462 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:27,520 monofilament what have you and all of a 463 00:21:34,740 --> 00:21:29,530 sudden this object rose up out of the 464 00:21:36,360 --> 00:21:34,750 tree and at first you look my first 465 00:21:38,760 --> 00:21:36,370 thought was it was like what are these 466 00:21:40,710 --> 00:21:38,770 mylar silver party balloons but I 467 00:21:43,770 --> 00:21:40,720 realized it was much larger than that 468 00:21:46,770 --> 00:21:43,780 and it was rotating on a vertical axis 469 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:46,780 but it was floating just like a balloon 470 00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:49,570 would float so you start thinking of 471 00:21:53,940 --> 00:21:52,210 well the balloons we're that's just an 472 00:21:57,510 --> 00:21:53,950 area that has a lot of military 473 00:21:59,549 --> 00:21:57,520 installations around from Norfolk all 474 00:22:03,029 --> 00:21:59,559 the military installations in Norfolk 475 00:22:05,730 --> 00:22:03,039 and Hampton Roads to the toxin rover to 476 00:22:07,529 --> 00:22:05,740 the well known now and because of the 477 00:22:12,970 --> 00:22:07,539 rocket figured Wallops Island which is 478 00:22:17,289 --> 00:22:15,220 Aldrin a Naval Surface Warfare Center 479 00:22:19,270 --> 00:22:17,299 just up the Potomac River so there's a 480 00:22:21,970 --> 00:22:19,280 lot of military installations around and 481 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:21,980 I thought well you know this this has to 482 00:22:29,770 --> 00:22:26,410 be something that is military or in 483 00:22:32,289 --> 00:22:29,780 perhaps something that the testing out 484 00:22:33,700 --> 00:22:32,299 of Pax River let's do a break here Larry 485 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:33,710 and then we'll pick up on this in our 486 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:35,690 next segment about your sighting Larry 487 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:37,970 Holcomb the book is the president's and 488 00:22:41,409 --> 00:22:40,850 UFOs coming next year from st. 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866 91 steel that's 588 00:27:06,509 --> 00:27:03,639 eight six six nine one seven 83 35 hi 589 00:27:09,060 --> 00:27:06,519 this is Don Ecker and you are tuned in 590 00:27:11,430 --> 00:27:09,070 to the para cast let me tell you what 591 00:27:14,940 --> 00:27:11,440 you're gonna hear stuff here that you 592 00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:14,950 probably won't hear anywhere else hear 593 00:27:21,419 --> 00:27:18,369 that George Noory Chris O'Brien is in 594 00:27:23,669 --> 00:27:21,429 some secret location with his iPhone in 595 00:27:25,139 --> 00:27:23,679 Sedona Arizona I don't know if it's 596 00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:25,149 secret or not but it sounds good on the 597 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:28,049 radio we have Larry Holcomb the book is 598 00:27:34,289 --> 00:27:31,570 the president's and UFOs and we'll get 599 00:27:36,839 --> 00:27:34,299 into a lot of that as we progress 600 00:27:39,049 --> 00:27:36,849 through the episode okay so you tell us 601 00:27:41,789 --> 00:27:39,059 a little bit more about you're 602 00:27:44,129 --> 00:27:41,799 experiencing this strange or but like 603 00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:44,139 object well any way to put up to put a 604 00:27:50,699 --> 00:27:46,450 cap on it very quickly the object rose 605 00:27:52,709 --> 00:27:50,709 up to there was a drop down a little 606 00:27:55,139 --> 00:27:52,719 high banks on either side and this was 607 00:27:58,049 --> 00:27:55,149 in a cold it was a drop down the object 608 00:27:59,999 --> 00:27:58,059 grows to just above tree level and 609 00:28:01,829 --> 00:28:00,009 started moving laterally well the 610 00:28:04,829 --> 00:28:01,839 thought in my mind was he got caught by 611 00:28:06,899 --> 00:28:04,839 the wind and it was pushing and pushing 612 00:28:09,599 --> 00:28:06,909 it laterally which would be to the west 613 00:28:12,449 --> 00:28:09,609 how it was a crystal-clear afternoon 614 00:28:16,379 --> 00:28:12,459 about three o'clock in the winter and as 615 00:28:18,180 --> 00:28:16,389 I watched it move laterally and I could 616 00:28:20,430 --> 00:28:18,190 see that it was rotating on a vertical 617 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:20,440 axis all of a sudden a beam of light 618 00:28:26,070 --> 00:28:23,890 came off of it I mean a brilliant 619 00:28:28,860 --> 00:28:26,080 brilliant beam of light came off of this 620 00:28:32,130 --> 00:28:28,870 thing which I thought was a made me and 621 00:28:34,019 --> 00:28:32,140 I was in my war office as a second floor 622 00:28:36,450 --> 00:28:34,029 level of my host which overlooked this 623 00:28:39,210 --> 00:28:36,460 tree behind a big picture one was 624 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:39,220 sitting at my desk and this light came 625 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:41,890 off of it well that sort of shook me a 626 00:28:45,899 --> 00:28:43,570 little bit and I thought well maybe if 627 00:28:47,909 --> 00:28:45,909 what did she got a highly reflective 628 00:28:51,779 --> 00:28:47,919 panel on the thing and it's it's 629 00:28:55,470 --> 00:28:51,789 catching the this low the Sun that's 630 00:28:58,019 --> 00:28:55,480 blowing in the West that happened two 631 00:29:01,169 --> 00:28:58,029 more times I think as it floated 632 00:29:03,750 --> 00:29:01,179 horizontally and I ran upstairs to get 633 00:29:06,570 --> 00:29:03,760 some binoculars and I had on the wet bar 634 00:29:09,149 --> 00:29:06,580 and the great room upstairs by the time 635 00:29:11,490 --> 00:29:09,159 I went on the upper deck excited was 636 00:29:14,639 --> 00:29:11,500 going times you know I don't know where 637 00:29:17,730 --> 00:29:14,649 it went to I don't know I can speculate 638 00:29:19,919 --> 00:29:17,740 but I won't what what kind of time frame 639 00:29:25,289 --> 00:29:19,929 are we talking about when did this all 640 00:29:26,850 --> 00:29:25,299 right 1995 okay did you exactly local 641 00:29:29,639 --> 00:29:26,860 groups find out if there are any other 642 00:29:31,889 --> 00:29:29,649 sightings consistent with what you saw I 643 00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:31,899 should have called Pax River public 644 00:29:37,379 --> 00:29:33,610 information people of Pax River but I 645 00:29:40,289 --> 00:29:37,389 didn't and it which is is dumb and in my 646 00:29:44,100 --> 00:29:40,299 book I talked about people that have 647 00:29:46,889 --> 00:29:44,110 sightings that don't report and one of 648 00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:46,899 the things at the time this didn't fit 649 00:29:53,070 --> 00:29:50,580 the mold of a UFO or a flying saucer 650 00:29:56,070 --> 00:29:53,080 since that time since I've done more 651 00:29:57,600 --> 00:29:56,080 research into it especially when I was 652 00:30:00,810 --> 00:29:57,610 writing my first book and doing more 653 00:30:02,610 --> 00:30:00,820 research although that was a novel I 654 00:30:05,220 --> 00:30:02,620 still wanted to be pretty accurate I 655 00:30:08,250 --> 00:30:05,230 came across a number of sightings of 656 00:30:10,860 --> 00:30:08,260 orbs such as this and and this one the 657 00:30:14,190 --> 00:30:10,870 nighttime sighting I don't have a lot of 658 00:30:15,629 --> 00:30:14,200 love but nighttime lights in the sky 659 00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:15,639 because there are a lot of lights in the 660 00:30:20,960 --> 00:30:17,970 sky they move around and do things 661 00:30:24,210 --> 00:30:20,970 unless they do something really unusual 662 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:24,220 this was a daytime sighting this this 663 00:30:32,129 --> 00:30:28,090 was I'm convinced that whatever this was 664 00:30:33,930 --> 00:30:32,139 was control I'm convinced now after 665 00:30:36,180 --> 00:30:33,940 thinking back on it that the reason 666 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:36,190 these birds were circling in a tight 667 00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:37,210 circle is that they 668 00:30:41,580 --> 00:30:38,890 were caught in a thermal of this thing 669 00:30:45,260 --> 00:30:41,590 powering up the color to the top of this 670 00:30:47,850 --> 00:30:45,270 tree beyond that you know is as far as 671 00:30:49,350 --> 00:30:47,860 sightings go this is not really very 672 00:30:51,299 --> 00:30:49,360 impressed this is not a very impressive 673 00:30:54,330 --> 00:30:51,309 sliding but I'll tell you made a big 674 00:30:57,539 --> 00:30:54,340 impression on me and it's one I haven't 675 00:31:02,010 --> 00:30:57,549 forgotten and won't forget now it could 676 00:31:06,899 --> 00:31:02,020 very well be and probably was something 677 00:31:10,820 --> 00:31:06,909 prosaic in the in the area of something 678 00:31:14,630 --> 00:31:10,830 experimental perhaps out of Pax River 679 00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:14,640 but on the other hand I don't know so 680 00:31:20,370 --> 00:31:17,529 you asked if I had had a UFO sighting 681 00:31:24,330 --> 00:31:20,380 yes I've had a UFO sighting whether it 682 00:31:28,799 --> 00:31:24,340 was something earthling or something 683 00:31:31,529 --> 00:31:28,809 known earthly I I don't know but and and 684 00:31:35,269 --> 00:31:31,539 no time did it do anything that defied 685 00:31:37,500 --> 00:31:35,279 the laws of physics as many sightings - 686 00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:37,510 okay let's leave it there and move to 687 00:31:43,980 --> 00:31:39,760 the next stage so you retire from your 688 00:31:47,399 --> 00:31:43,990 profession and in the mid-2000s you 689 00:31:51,060 --> 00:31:47,409 start doing a sci-fi book with a UFO 690 00:31:51,870 --> 00:31:51,070 theme I started doing a novel that was a 691 00:31:54,090 --> 00:31:51,880 thriller 692 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:54,100 started out being a murder mystery I 693 00:32:00,090 --> 00:31:57,130 wanted to write at taking journalism I 694 00:32:02,299 --> 00:32:00,100 didn't graduate but then in college but 695 00:32:05,010 --> 00:32:02,309 I had the two years of journalism and 696 00:32:08,840 --> 00:32:05,020 any old Richmond professional Institute 697 00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:08,850 in Richmond which is now VCU and I 698 00:32:15,659 --> 00:32:11,440 wanted to write I wanted to write a 699 00:32:18,299 --> 00:32:15,669 novel and being that smart guy than I am 700 00:32:19,860 --> 00:32:18,309 it took me about two months of starting 701 00:32:21,870 --> 00:32:19,870 and stopping and starting and stopping 702 00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:21,880 to try to figure out what a what 703 00:32:26,070 --> 00:32:24,159 actually base the plot on and all of a 704 00:32:27,990 --> 00:32:26,080 sudden like both game on I said you know 705 00:32:31,010 --> 00:32:28,000 you can studying government cover-ups 706 00:32:35,310 --> 00:32:31,020 UFOs extraterrestrials government 707 00:32:37,950 --> 00:32:35,320 cover-up of extraterrestrials for 40 708 00:32:40,889 --> 00:32:37,960 years of better why not use that so 709 00:32:44,310 --> 00:32:40,899 that's what I based the plot of this 710 00:32:49,769 --> 00:32:44,320 murder mystery on is the is my 711 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:49,779 background knowledge of the government 712 00:32:52,779 --> 00:32:50,570 cover-up 713 00:32:58,289 --> 00:32:52,789 I think there's no question that's that 714 00:33:06,669 --> 00:33:04,029 extraterrestrial visitation and so 715 00:33:13,299 --> 00:33:06,679 that's that's wherever that the book 716 00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:13,309 came from and it did rather well locally 717 00:33:19,450 --> 00:33:16,960 but it was a small publisher and it 718 00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:19,460 didn't really give me the platform to 719 00:33:23,499 --> 00:33:21,110 expand the book well I've got it 720 00:33:25,299 --> 00:33:23,509 I've got a nice local following but it's 721 00:33:28,450 --> 00:33:25,309 and that's about it 722 00:33:30,340 --> 00:33:28,460 the the book did well locally but didn't 723 00:33:33,070 --> 00:33:30,350 do anything you have to speak up on the 724 00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:33,080 national national well your your new 725 00:33:38,860 --> 00:33:35,120 publisher is I think the third largest 726 00:33:41,740 --> 00:33:38,870 publishing house in the trade he's only 727 00:33:44,379 --> 00:33:41,750 my kind of proposal it's a whole 728 00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:44,389 different world out there st. Martin's 729 00:33:53,169 --> 00:33:47,679 is great I've got a I've got a top-notch 730 00:33:56,529 --> 00:33:53,179 agent I just signed a contract with they 731 00:34:00,159 --> 00:33:56,539 were sent to me by my agent from an 732 00:34:03,940 --> 00:34:00,169 Italian Italian publisher who bought the 733 00:34:06,369 --> 00:34:03,950 rights to the book to to publish it in 734 00:34:12,210 --> 00:34:06,379 in Italy 735 00:34:14,950 --> 00:34:12,220 he's also sold worldwide rights to for 736 00:34:16,659 --> 00:34:14,960 not audiobooks we'll put for an 737 00:34:22,409 --> 00:34:16,669 audiobook visa have an audiobook 738 00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:22,419 contract on it and we hope to have more 739 00:34:28,470 --> 00:34:26,450 European sales as time goes on so what 740 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:28,480 attracted you to this particular subject 741 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:31,010 what the president's might have known 742 00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:38,210 about UFOs ah let me see if I can make 743 00:34:46,300 --> 00:34:42,050 that very brief when I went to when the 744 00:34:49,359 --> 00:34:46,310 people at the International UFO Museum 745 00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:49,369 and Research Center in Roswell read my 746 00:34:59,079 --> 00:34:52,970 book my marble and they liked it and in 747 00:35:03,849 --> 00:34:59,089 2011 they invited me out to to speak as 748 00:35:04,450 --> 00:35:03,859 an author and a lecturer because of the 749 00:35:09,089 --> 00:35:04,460 book 750 00:35:14,370 --> 00:35:09,099 and while out there Nets Stan Friedman 751 00:35:18,059 --> 00:35:14,380 Don Schmidt Tom Kerry Antonio unis 752 00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:18,069 number of number of pretty big names and 753 00:35:24,940 --> 00:35:23,089 in ufology and I talked to him about in 754 00:35:29,890 --> 00:35:24,950 doing research for the book I'd come 755 00:35:32,910 --> 00:35:29,900 across a TV documentary UFOs past 756 00:35:37,089 --> 00:35:32,920 present future which you may know of 757 00:35:42,130 --> 00:35:37,099 alright that was written and co-produced 758 00:35:43,299 --> 00:35:42,140 by a fella named Bob emanate and I said 759 00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:43,309 you know this is falling through the 760 00:35:50,319 --> 00:35:45,170 cracks this is an amazing documentary 761 00:35:55,359 --> 00:35:50,329 because it's it's it seems to have the 762 00:35:57,430 --> 00:35:55,369 full support of the government you just 763 00:35:59,650 --> 00:35:57,440 don't walk into the Pentagon and this 764 00:36:01,809 --> 00:35:59,660 documentary had had a retired had 765 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:01,819 Colonel William Coleman Colville who's 766 00:36:08,740 --> 00:36:05,210 retired head of Air Force public 767 00:36:11,760 --> 00:36:08,750 relations walking the halls of the 768 00:36:15,430 --> 00:36:11,770 Pentagon talking will be the famous 769 00:36:19,450 --> 00:36:15,440 estimate of the situation of the general 770 00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:19,460 Hoyt Vandenberg batted down anyway well 771 00:36:23,380 --> 00:36:21,049 let's do our break that's two-hour break 772 00:36:26,620 --> 00:36:23,390 here Larry and then we'll continue with 773 00:36:28,690 --> 00:36:26,630 this once again the book is called the 774 00:36:32,470 --> 00:36:28,700 presidents and UFOs a secret history 775 00:36:34,450 --> 00:36:32,480 from FDR to Obama from Larry Holcomb 776 00:36:36,309 --> 00:36:34,460 coming from st. Martin's Press next year 777 00:36:39,099 --> 00:36:36,319 and now he's giving you the background 778 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:39,109 of how he came to decide to write this 779 00:36:42,660 --> 00:36:41,690 book with Gene and Christian Lootera 780 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:42,670 cast 781 00:36:53,219 --> 00:36:49,410 [Music] 782 00:36:55,709 --> 00:36:53,229 great minds think alike the network for 783 00:37:00,900 --> 00:36:55,719 the independent finding the genesis 784 00:37:02,969 --> 00:37:00,910 communications network G C n attack of 785 00:37:05,249 --> 00:37:02,979 the rock AIDS has been well-received by 786 00:37:07,319 --> 00:37:05,259 critics and readers alike it's a thrill 787 00:37:09,329 --> 00:37:07,329 a minute story you'll never forget 788 00:37:11,910 --> 00:37:09,339 a former US military intelligence 789 00:37:14,579 --> 00:37:11,920 officer is haunted by intense dreams 790 00:37:16,829 --> 00:37:14,589 about a beautiful woman pleading for his 791 00:37:19,499 --> 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location 889 00:41:24,289 --> 00:41:21,869 in Sedona flew Larry Holcomb joins us 890 00:41:26,210 --> 00:41:24,299 we're talking about his book how he was 891 00:41:29,420 --> 00:41:26,220 inspired to write the presidents and 892 00:41:32,859 --> 00:41:29,430 UFOs would you continue please sir yeah 893 00:41:36,319 --> 00:41:32,869 anyway the the documentary was 894 00:41:39,170 --> 00:41:36,329 fascinating because it seemed official 895 00:41:41,240 --> 00:41:39,180 and it seemed to have government support 896 00:41:42,859 --> 00:41:41,250 as I said you just don't get into the 897 00:41:44,539 --> 00:41:42,869 Pentagon and filming that without the 898 00:41:47,779 --> 00:41:44,549 government's approval you don't go to 899 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:47,789 all an Air Force Base in film segments 900 00:41:53,410 --> 00:41:50,130 in Holloman Air Force bases as secure as 901 00:41:57,410 --> 00:41:53,420 housing is without government approval 902 00:41:59,420 --> 00:41:57,420 so I did some background research and I 903 00:42:02,569 --> 00:41:59,430 found out that Bob BEMER nigger's 904 00:42:05,299 --> 00:42:02,579 background story on making this 905 00:42:09,890 --> 00:42:05,309 documentary was more intriguing than the 906 00:42:11,930 --> 00:42:09,900 documentary itself because the he was 907 00:42:15,410 --> 00:42:11,940 told it's a launched run I've got a 908 00:42:21,049 --> 00:42:15,420 convincing you know he was told by at 909 00:42:22,759 --> 00:42:21,059 the head of Air Force audio-visual the 910 00:42:25,370 --> 00:42:22,769 division Department what have you 911 00:42:29,029 --> 00:42:25,380 thought named Paul Charl that they would 912 00:42:33,529 --> 00:42:29,039 be given about 600 feet of 16 millimeter 913 00:42:36,230 --> 00:42:33,539 film of an actual UFO landing and a 914 00:42:39,670 --> 00:42:36,240 meeting and a meeting with Air Force 915 00:42:41,450 --> 00:42:39,680 personnel officials and 916 00:42:49,299 --> 00:42:41,460 extraterrestrials at Holloman Air Force 917 00:42:52,819 --> 00:42:49,309 Base to use in making a documentary that 918 00:42:54,890 --> 00:42:52,829 the administration wanted made the 919 00:42:59,299 --> 00:42:54,900 administration was the administration of 920 00:43:02,509 --> 00:42:59,309 Richard Nixon it's complicated but a lot 921 00:43:05,690 --> 00:43:02,519 of people look is on Nixon a days as a 922 00:43:08,539 --> 00:43:05,700 real villain but at that time Nixon was 923 00:43:10,789 --> 00:43:08,549 had amazing popularity he was on the way 924 00:43:15,500 --> 00:43:10,799 to being reelected with almost a 925 00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:19,700 Nixon wanted a documentary made or the 926 00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:21,089 committee to re-elect the president 927 00:43:28,250 --> 00:43:25,290 wanted a documentary made that would 928 00:43:31,370 --> 00:43:28,260 help bolster him in his reelection 929 00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:31,380 campaign and add to the accomplishments 930 00:43:37,280 --> 00:43:33,569 that he had already made which was an 931 00:43:39,829 --> 00:43:37,290 opening to China which was amazing at 932 00:43:43,220 --> 00:43:39,839 the time and to talk with the Russians 933 00:43:45,230 --> 00:43:43,230 in foreign affairs Nixon love him or 934 00:43:50,839 --> 00:43:45,240 hate him had done some some rather 935 00:43:57,109 --> 00:43:50,849 remarkable things and a documentary with 936 00:44:00,470 --> 00:43:57,119 some level of disclosure would add to 937 00:44:02,660 --> 00:44:00,480 that some speculation here I'd meant 938 00:44:06,140 --> 00:44:02,670 there's some speculation but Ivan talked 939 00:44:08,510 --> 00:44:06,150 at length with Bob Dominator and and let 940 00:44:11,569 --> 00:44:08,520 me throw in here Bob was a fraternity 941 00:44:14,299 --> 00:44:11,579 brother in California University of 942 00:44:17,690 --> 00:44:14,309 Southern California I believe of HR Bob 943 00:44:22,309 --> 00:44:17,700 Haldeman who was Nixon's chief of staff 944 00:44:25,780 --> 00:44:22,319 and as such Haldeman knew that Bob Evan 945 00:44:29,289 --> 00:44:25,790 I am a nagger was a very successful 946 00:44:31,940 --> 00:44:29,299 advertising executive in Los Angeles 947 00:44:35,180 --> 00:44:31,950 Bank of America was one of his clients 948 00:44:39,230 --> 00:44:35,190 for example and he knew that M&A had 949 00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,240 made a lot of film for the Department of 950 00:44:45,319 --> 00:44:41,599 Defense training films and what-have-you 951 00:44:47,089 --> 00:44:45,329 so Emma nagger was asked by the 952 00:44:49,329 --> 00:44:47,099 committee to reelect the president to 953 00:44:53,000 --> 00:44:49,339 come on board to make this documentary 954 00:44:54,970 --> 00:44:53,010 well as I said it's a very long story 955 00:44:58,370 --> 00:44:54,980 and I go into it in depth in the book 956 00:45:02,539 --> 00:44:58,380 but it's it's a fascinating story and 957 00:45:07,660 --> 00:45:02,549 that M Nagar was cut went to the 958 00:45:11,420 --> 00:45:07,670 Pentagon and and and and flew his 959 00:45:13,700 --> 00:45:11,430 partner Alan Sandler who ran the Sandler 960 00:45:18,440 --> 00:45:13,710 productions of Bill production company 961 00:45:23,569 --> 00:45:18,450 that M&R used in his film work flew to 962 00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:23,579 Washington to meet Colonel William 963 00:45:29,030 --> 00:45:26,280 Coleman that I spoke of earlier he was 964 00:45:29,610 --> 00:45:29,040 still head of airports public relations 965 00:45:32,370 --> 00:45:29,620 at the 966 00:45:36,090 --> 00:45:32,380 when they got to the Pentagon they were 967 00:45:38,670 --> 00:45:36,100 met by some men who took them into an 968 00:45:39,950 --> 00:45:38,680 office and said look you haven't got any 969 00:45:43,110 --> 00:45:39,960 business being here 970 00:45:45,810 --> 00:45:43,120 you're treading on on some very shaky 971 00:45:48,630 --> 00:45:45,820 ground you're trading on on in an area 972 00:45:51,690 --> 00:45:48,640 that you shouldn't be getting involved 973 00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:51,700 in and our advice to you is to get back 974 00:45:57,540 --> 00:45:54,210 on the plane and fly back to California 975 00:46:00,150 --> 00:45:57,550 well Emma Nagar who ever got to know 976 00:46:03,870 --> 00:46:00,160 very well I consider a friend is a very 977 00:46:07,140 --> 00:46:03,880 nice fella but Allen Sandler as bob says 978 00:46:09,090 --> 00:46:07,150 there's no shrinking violet and he just 979 00:46:13,380 --> 00:46:09,100 had had enough and he jumped up and said 980 00:46:16,050 --> 00:46:13,390 few choice words look we were told to 981 00:46:18,090 --> 00:46:16,060 come here by the White House and they 982 00:46:19,290 --> 00:46:18,100 get me a telephone and I'm gonna call 983 00:46:21,330 --> 00:46:19,300 the White House and get this 984 00:46:24,150 --> 00:46:21,340 blankety-blank mess straightened out 985 00:46:28,260 --> 00:46:24,160 right now well at that point everything 986 00:46:32,220 --> 00:46:28,270 changed and they washing on up to 987 00:46:34,170 --> 00:46:32,230 Colonel William Collins office and he 988 00:46:35,970 --> 00:46:34,180 thought it gave him the same spiel then 989 00:46:37,890 --> 00:46:35,980 he took him in his office shut the door 990 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:37,900 and told him about his own UFO 991 00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:42,970 experience so they had a discussion and 992 00:46:49,830 --> 00:46:47,890 from that at that point Coleman said you 993 00:46:52,340 --> 00:46:49,840 need to talk to Colonel George 994 00:46:54,510 --> 00:46:52,350 Weinbrenner at foreign technology 995 00:46:58,350 --> 00:46:54,520 division at wright-patterson Air Force 996 00:47:01,970 --> 00:46:58,360 Base so he set up an appointment for 997 00:47:05,220 --> 00:47:01,980 Emma later and Salim to go to see 998 00:47:09,720 --> 00:47:05,230 Colonel wine brother so they went to 999 00:47:13,460 --> 00:47:09,730 wright-patt were yes Bob tells me where 1000 00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:13,470 I should down into the catacombs below 1001 00:47:19,290 --> 00:47:16,450 below ground at wright-patt fine 1002 00:47:22,020 --> 00:47:19,300 technology division and went into 1003 00:47:24,060 --> 00:47:22,030 emmalegs office and Bob said he walked 1004 00:47:26,910 --> 00:47:24,070 right up them and they I mean to wine 1005 00:47:27,630 --> 00:47:26,920 brother's desk and said Colonel 1006 00:47:30,990 --> 00:47:27,640 Weinberger 1007 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:31,000 what is the truth about a UFO landing at 1008 00:47:35,460 --> 00:47:32,650 Holloman Air Force Base and they you 1009 00:47:37,320 --> 00:47:35,470 know give us this film and at that point 1010 00:47:39,900 --> 00:47:37,330 I'm gonna know why I'm going to look at 1011 00:47:42,450 --> 00:47:39,910 him got up from his desk but over to a 1012 00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:42,460 chalkboard took her to took a piece of 1013 00:47:52,220 --> 00:47:43,170 chalk 1014 00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:52,230 this is me me 15 big 21 whatever I can't 1015 00:47:59,329 --> 00:47:55,260 remember we don't know 1016 00:48:01,069 --> 00:47:59,339 you know what thing about this but they 1017 00:48:05,270 --> 00:48:01,079 know everything about all of our planes 1018 00:48:08,180 --> 00:48:05,280 and he went on like that describing the 1019 00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:08,190 you know the the discrepancy of the 1020 00:48:13,339 --> 00:48:11,010 difference between what the Air Force 1021 00:48:16,039 --> 00:48:13,349 knew about the Russian Russian planes 1022 00:48:18,349 --> 00:48:16,049 and what Russian Russian knew overall 1023 00:48:20,359 --> 00:48:18,359 the Soviet Union knew about our planes 1024 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:20,369 and while he was doing this he went to a 1025 00:48:27,380 --> 00:48:23,010 bookcase and he pulled out a book opened 1026 00:48:30,170 --> 00:48:27,390 it up and handed it to to Bob and the 1027 00:48:32,809 --> 00:48:30,180 book was on flying saucers and in and 1028 00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:32,819 the inscription was to my good friend 1029 00:48:41,270 --> 00:48:36,690 George one brother Paul Allen Hynek and 1030 00:48:43,609 --> 00:48:41,280 it was allen hynek's book and a bob 1031 00:48:47,270 --> 00:48:43,619 Hannon book back Weinbrenner Weinbrenner 1032 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:47,280 put it in the bookshelf talked all a few 1033 00:48:50,569 --> 00:48:49,290 more minutes about the Russian MIG and 1034 00:48:53,750 --> 00:48:50,579 then I should have motor their office 1035 00:48:55,510 --> 00:48:53,760 never said a word about UFOs and the he 1036 00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:55,520 left shaking their heads and you know 1037 00:49:03,650 --> 00:48:59,520 this had to be wine Brenda's Way of 1038 00:49:05,329 --> 00:49:03,660 telling us that yes it did happen but 1039 00:49:09,980 --> 00:49:05,339 I'm not gonna say anything about it 1040 00:49:14,240 --> 00:49:09,990 because they felt sure and this goes 1041 00:49:16,370 --> 00:49:14,250 back to when they were told about making 1042 00:49:18,500 --> 00:49:16,380 the documentary by Paul short all that 1043 00:49:21,380 --> 00:49:18,510 they were done and they were told about 1044 00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,390 it in a clean room at Norton Air Force 1045 00:49:25,609 --> 00:49:23,040 Base in the clean room meaning they had 1046 00:49:28,630 --> 00:49:25,619 no listening devices and Bob said he was 1047 00:49:31,609 --> 00:49:28,640 sure that they were listening devices in 1048 00:49:33,890 --> 00:49:31,619 the in all of the offices that the 1049 00:49:35,569 --> 00:49:33,900 foreign technology division and and 1050 00:49:38,030 --> 00:49:35,579 Weinbrenner wasn't about the same thing 1051 00:49:40,309 --> 00:49:38,040 about UFOs that could be recorded but 1052 00:49:43,280 --> 00:49:40,319 this was his way of telling them that 1053 00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:43,290 yeah that was true let's look at the 1054 00:49:49,309 --> 00:49:45,450 finished product here the finished 1055 00:49:50,310 --> 00:49:49,319 documentary now obviously this thing has 1056 00:49:52,710 --> 00:49:50,320 been 1057 00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:52,720 was shown for a number of years what 1058 00:49:57,840 --> 00:49:55,930 does it present that would lead one to 1059 00:49:59,790 --> 00:49:57,850 think this is a first step towards 1060 00:50:03,660 --> 00:49:59,800 disclosure forgetting in the background 1061 00:50:07,740 --> 00:50:03,670 because that can get pretty involved the 1062 00:50:11,280 --> 00:50:07,750 the fact that Nixon had a tremendous 1063 00:50:14,970 --> 00:50:11,290 interest in UFOs he had a great deal of 1064 00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:14,980 power he had a close friend and Jackie 1065 00:50:23,490 --> 00:50:21,130 Gleason who was almost fanatically 1066 00:50:25,350 --> 00:50:23,500 interested in UFOs as a matter of fact 1067 00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:25,360 when he died I think the movie had 1068 00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:27,970 something like sixteen hundred books 1069 00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:29,890 that was donated to the University of 1070 00:50:35,850 --> 00:50:32,530 Miami on UFOs the paranormal 1071 00:50:38,340 --> 00:50:35,860 I did hear in the old days of huangshan 1072 00:50:40,650 --> 00:50:38,350 double radio show Jackie Gleason talked 1073 00:50:43,260 --> 00:50:40,660 to people about UFOs here is say Chris I 1074 00:50:45,120 --> 00:50:43,270 said Jackie Gleason had such a 1075 00:50:48,200 --> 00:50:45,130 fascination that he actually had an out 1076 00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:48,210 built shape like one that's correct 1077 00:50:53,550 --> 00:50:51,520 dan the outhouses were the scope ships 1078 00:50:56,100 --> 00:50:53,560 the main host was called a mothership in 1079 00:50:58,080 --> 00:50:56,110 there and the outhouses the the guest 1080 00:51:00,300 --> 00:50:58,090 houses and what have you would call the 1081 00:51:02,490 --> 00:51:00,310 Scout ships so you're exactly right 1082 00:51:03,510 --> 00:51:02,500 let's continue this in our next segment 1083 00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:03,520 shall we 1084 00:51:07,080 --> 00:51:05,170 Larry Holcomb is author of the 1085 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:07,090 president's and UFOs and now you're 1086 00:51:12,330 --> 00:51:09,490 seeing what's happening here a lot of a 1087 00:51:15,240 --> 00:51:12,340 fascinating background as we paint the 1088 00:51:18,990 --> 00:51:15,250 picture of what the president's may have 1089 00:51:20,850 --> 00:51:19,000 known or not known by the way if you 1090 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:20,860 want to get a free copy of Chris 1091 00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:22,330 O'Brien's secrets to the mysterious 1092 00:51:28,140 --> 00:51:25,450 valley go to our site the podcast calm 1093 00:51:30,750 --> 00:51:28,150 the power cast Calm sign up for our free 1094 00:51:32,850 --> 00:51:30,760 newsletter and we'll send you an e-book 1095 00:51:39,340 --> 00:51:32,860 copy of secrets of the mysterious Valley 1096 00:51:44,600 --> 00:51:42,110 you're listening to GCN proudly 1097 00:51:46,850 --> 00:51:44,610 sponsored by unseen 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Chris at the para cast we 1154 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:15,920 have Larry Holcomb we're talking about 1155 00:54:21,190 --> 00:54:19,010 presidents and UFOs let me just ask you 1156 00:54:24,700 --> 00:54:21,200 an overreaching question here 1157 00:54:28,270 --> 00:54:24,710 now do the presidents when they take 1158 00:54:32,980 --> 00:54:28,280 office that could be any of them since 1159 00:54:37,060 --> 00:54:32,990 of course the UFO era started in 1947 1160 00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:37,070 are they all universally read in to 1161 00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:40,970 what's going on in my opinion absolutely 1162 00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:44,090 not I think Truman was in absolute 1163 00:54:52,780 --> 00:54:49,010 control of the UFO issue I think my 1164 00:54:57,220 --> 00:54:52,790 personal belief is that the majestic 1165 00:55:01,060 --> 00:54:57,230 documents the main core of the majestic 1166 00:55:02,470 --> 00:55:01,070 documents mj-12 documents are factual I 1167 00:55:04,839 --> 00:55:02,480 think there's all that some bogus 1168 00:55:08,170 --> 00:55:04,849 documents in there too which sort of 1169 00:55:10,270 --> 00:55:08,180 spoils the Apple Barrel if you will but 1170 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:10,280 I think that the the basic majestic 1171 00:55:17,370 --> 00:55:13,490 documents are true I think that Truman 1172 00:55:20,790 --> 00:55:17,380 set up the majestic mj-12 group I think 1173 00:55:23,079 --> 00:55:20,800 is that was passed on to Eisenhower 1174 00:55:25,540 --> 00:55:23,089 possibly not Truman because there was 1175 00:55:27,630 --> 00:55:25,550 some by the time that eyes now it took 1176 00:55:30,730 --> 00:55:27,640 office there was bad blood between E and 1177 00:55:34,390 --> 00:55:30,740 Truman but the director then the 1178 00:55:36,820 --> 00:55:34,400 director of CIA was Walter Bedell Walter 1179 00:55:39,430 --> 00:55:36,830 Beale Smith who was extremely close 1180 00:55:41,079 --> 00:55:39,440 Eisenhower's you probably know and his 1181 00:55:44,740 --> 00:55:41,089 chief of staff tanned a certain world 1182 00:55:48,339 --> 00:55:44,750 war and Beatle Smith I'm sure or briefed 1183 00:55:50,680 --> 00:55:48,349 Eisenhower in detail on on it but I 1184 00:55:52,900 --> 00:55:50,690 think that at by the end of the 1185 00:55:55,060 --> 00:55:52,910 Eisenhower administration the 1186 00:55:58,060 --> 00:55:55,070 intelligence community and the 1187 00:56:00,970 --> 00:55:58,070 military-industrial complex had started 1188 00:56:04,990 --> 00:56:00,980 to gain in men's power and the 1189 00:56:09,010 --> 00:56:05,000 information the background the knowledge 1190 00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:09,020 of UFOs and in extraterrestrial life was 1191 00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:12,170 being wrestled away or taken away from 1192 00:56:17,859 --> 00:56:15,890 the presidency and being handled 1193 00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:17,869 deep within the intelligence community 1194 00:56:22,990 --> 00:56:21,530 and the military-industrial complex 1195 00:56:25,900 --> 00:56:23,000 and I believe that when I 1196 00:56:28,270 --> 00:56:25,910 now said that the famous speech his 1197 00:56:29,890 --> 00:56:28,280 despair well to the nation speech when 1198 00:56:32,380 --> 00:56:29,900 he he warned of the power of the 1199 00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:32,390 military-industrial complex this was on 1200 00:56:37,180 --> 00:56:34,850 his mind when he did that but I think 1201 00:56:41,050 --> 00:56:37,190 there was a great shift in power at that 1202 00:56:44,710 --> 00:56:41,060 time and this went over into the Kennedy 1203 00:56:48,570 --> 00:56:44,720 administration which is another topic in 1204 00:56:51,340 --> 00:56:48,580 itself but subsequent presidents 1205 00:56:53,290 --> 00:56:51,350 somewhere in the loop more than others I 1206 00:56:55,570 --> 00:56:53,300 don't think Jimmy Carter was in the loop 1207 00:56:57,670 --> 00:56:55,580 I don't think at least at the beginning 1208 00:57:02,040 --> 00:56:57,680 Bill Clinton was in the loop 1209 00:57:04,990 --> 00:57:02,050 a jury Ford probably was to some degree 1210 00:57:07,690 --> 00:57:05,000 Lyndon Johnson and I've spent some time 1211 00:57:09,130 --> 00:57:07,700 in the Johnson library archives and I 1212 00:57:10,900 --> 00:57:09,140 you're not gonna find but first of all 1213 00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:10,910 he's not gonna find a smoking gun and in 1214 00:57:15,430 --> 00:57:13,490 presidential libraries you'll you may 1215 00:57:16,930 --> 00:57:15,440 find sometimes you'll find timelines 1216 00:57:19,120 --> 00:57:16,940 it'll help you but you're not gonna find 1217 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:19,130 a smoking gun it's not clear to me 1218 00:57:23,740 --> 00:57:22,010 exactly how much Lyndon Johnson was in 1219 00:57:25,570 --> 00:57:23,750 the loop he could have done a great deal 1220 00:57:27,670 --> 00:57:25,580 it could have been very little but the 1221 00:57:31,150 --> 00:57:27,680 bottom line of what you're asking is I 1222 00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:31,160 think that improvement Eisenhower they 1223 00:57:37,030 --> 00:57:34,370 were in control of Eisenhower's started 1224 00:57:40,050 --> 00:57:37,040 losing control and then I think that the 1225 00:57:43,390 --> 00:57:40,060 the real nucleus of knowledge is 1226 00:57:46,180 --> 00:57:43,400 somewhere deep within the intelligence 1227 00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:46,190 community and in the military-industrial 1228 00:57:51,850 --> 00:57:50,000 complex and maybe surprisingly people 1229 00:57:55,090 --> 00:57:51,860 don't they sound surprising to people 1230 00:57:57,970 --> 00:57:55,100 but I think that the Office of Naval 1231 00:58:00,400 --> 00:57:57,980 Intelligence is conceivably more 1232 00:58:03,460 --> 00:58:00,410 involved in it than Nene I think the 1233 00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:03,470 Navy is is very deeply involved in the 1234 00:58:08,830 --> 00:58:06,530 UFO issue why the Navy over the air 1235 00:58:13,660 --> 00:58:08,840 force a lot of little things that I've 1236 00:58:16,150 --> 00:58:13,670 read the Navy is very close-mouthed on 1237 00:58:18,370 --> 00:58:16,160 it and a you know I make that statement 1238 00:58:21,550 --> 00:58:18,380 and it's in it hard to give you one 1239 00:58:25,510 --> 00:58:21,560 example to back it up but it's it's just 1240 00:58:28,030 --> 00:58:25,520 a culmination of little things that I've 1241 00:58:30,790 --> 00:58:28,040 come across and I've studied to believe 1242 00:58:34,240 --> 00:58:30,800 that the Navy is it's very involved in 1243 00:58:36,610 --> 00:58:34,250 it the Navy it's my belief that the so 1244 00:58:40,180 --> 00:58:36,620 called area 51 which 1245 00:58:44,620 --> 00:58:40,190 I've got some feelings on that also but 1246 00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:44,630 what goes on at the groom lake a lot of 1247 00:58:50,110 --> 00:58:46,370 those contractors out there paid by the 1248 00:58:53,260 --> 00:58:50,120 Navy so I think the Navy is very deeply 1249 00:58:55,450 --> 00:58:53,270 involved in it and then in the Navy his 1250 00:58:58,570 --> 00:58:55,460 you just can't get anything out of the 1251 00:59:02,320 --> 00:58:58,580 Navy let me go back to MJ's as you know 1252 00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:02,330 having followed the UFO field mj-12 is 1253 00:59:08,020 --> 00:59:05,810 highly disputed and there's been an 1254 00:59:09,910 --> 00:59:08,030 active debate for years like between 1255 00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:09,920 Stanton Friedman who accepts the 1256 00:59:14,380 --> 00:59:12,170 original documents and some of the 1257 00:59:18,100 --> 00:59:14,390 others with people like Kevin Randall 1258 00:59:20,830 --> 00:59:18,110 and Robert Hastings there was a couple 1259 00:59:23,620 --> 00:59:20,840 of issues ago of the UFO chronicles from 1260 00:59:26,950 --> 00:59:23,630 Frank Warren an online newsletter where 1261 00:59:31,540 --> 00:59:26,960 he had this debate continuing so it's 1262 00:59:35,050 --> 00:59:31,550 not cut and dry and I know he sure oh 1263 00:59:38,410 --> 00:59:35,060 you can gene we should also add an 1264 00:59:40,150 --> 00:59:38,420 interesting side note to the possible 1265 00:59:44,050 --> 00:59:40,160 connection between the mj-12 documents 1266 00:59:46,630 --> 00:59:44,060 and the bobbum and Egger documentary and 1267 00:59:49,950 --> 00:59:46,640 that is the person of Jamie Chandler 1268 00:59:53,260 --> 00:59:49,960 he's an interesting link that seems to 1269 00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:53,270 kind of bring those two events tie them 1270 00:59:58,060 --> 00:59:55,610 together because of his involvement in 1271 01:00:00,700 --> 00:59:58,070 both projects right because he was the 1272 01:00:03,490 --> 01:00:00,710 person who supposedly received the 1273 01:00:08,410 --> 01:00:03,500 original mj-12 documents on film folks 1274 01:00:11,770 --> 01:00:08,420 yes but beyond that I don't know of any 1275 01:00:16,930 --> 01:00:11,780 involvement that Shandra had other than 1276 01:00:19,870 --> 01:00:16,940 receiving the documents and and and it 1277 01:00:21,820 --> 01:00:19,880 was gender and more then they passed the 1278 01:00:26,050 --> 01:00:21,830 information on to Freedman who 1279 01:00:28,450 --> 01:00:26,060 admonished them to stay quiet because 1280 01:00:32,770 --> 01:00:28,460 until they have a chance to really 1281 01:00:34,300 --> 01:00:32,780 examine the documents and come to some 1282 01:00:36,670 --> 01:00:34,310 conclusion as to whether they were 1283 01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:36,680 authentic or not yeah and I think that 1284 01:00:42,670 --> 01:00:38,930 the work that Stan has done there 1285 01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:42,680 indicates to me that the core of the m.j 1286 01:00:49,000 --> 01:00:46,010 documents are authentic but yes it's 1287 01:00:49,690 --> 01:00:49,010 it's certainly still controversial well 1288 01:00:52,570 --> 01:00:49,700 that's 1289 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:52,580 arguably I wonder about here we have a 1290 01:00:58,390 --> 01:00:54,770 person like Kevin Randall who of course 1291 01:01:01,810 --> 01:00:58,400 has a military background and extensive 1292 01:01:05,710 --> 01:01:01,820 years as a writer why would a person 1293 01:01:07,210 --> 01:01:05,720 like a Kevin Randall not accept mj-12 if 1294 01:01:09,630 --> 01:01:07,220 there wasn't something that was 1295 01:01:13,270 --> 01:01:09,640 suspicious that kind of made him look 1296 01:01:15,730 --> 01:01:13,280 askance at it I don't know I can't speak 1297 01:01:19,780 --> 01:01:15,740 for Kevin I don't I know that there's a 1298 01:01:22,690 --> 01:01:19,790 lot of that's a lot of infighting that 1299 01:01:26,610 --> 01:01:22,700 goes on within the UFO community of the 1300 01:01:32,230 --> 01:01:30,070 understatement yeah I don't know if it's 1301 01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:32,240 I don't know where they where the 1302 01:01:40,330 --> 01:01:37,010 legitimate belief stops and ego starts 1303 01:01:43,720 --> 01:01:40,340 and it could be a it could be a number 1304 01:01:48,940 --> 01:01:43,730 of things I don't know I I've read 1305 01:01:51,610 --> 01:01:48,950 Kevin's work and I I've seen Kevin and I 1306 01:01:56,050 --> 01:01:51,620 talked to him at any length but he's 1307 01:01:58,300 --> 01:01:56,060 been at the Roswell Museum during the 1308 01:02:01,390 --> 01:01:58,310 festival which I've been at but then let 1309 01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:01,400 past three four years and be back again 1310 01:02:14,650 --> 01:02:08,330 this year so I don't know I why he is 1311 01:02:19,770 --> 01:02:14,660 against it a flock was you know didn't 1312 01:02:23,890 --> 01:02:19,780 buy into it either I'm comfortable with 1313 01:02:26,770 --> 01:02:23,900 I'm comfortable with a lot of the 1314 01:02:31,570 --> 01:02:26,780 research that Bob wood is done by Brian 1315 01:02:36,100 --> 01:02:31,580 Wood has done sure in researching the 1316 01:02:38,620 --> 01:02:36,110 documents although I had to not to shift 1317 01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:38,630 gears here but I had to cover the the 1318 01:02:45,160 --> 01:02:40,730 Kennedy administration and the possible 1319 01:02:50,080 --> 01:02:45,170 connection his assassination I I feel 1320 01:02:53,740 --> 01:02:50,090 very comfortable using Bob wood and Ryan 1321 01:03:00,910 --> 01:02:53,750 woods research in my own research and in 1322 01:03:02,180 --> 01:03:00,920 my own writing and although they they 1323 01:03:05,359 --> 01:03:02,190 have some question 1324 01:03:09,020 --> 01:03:05,369 documents that that they give a high 1325 01:03:11,809 --> 01:03:09,030 level of authenticity to I question a 1326 01:03:14,660 --> 01:03:11,819 little bit but in any case such as the 1327 01:03:17,210 --> 01:03:14,670 Bern memo which I'm sure you're familiar 1328 01:03:18,740 --> 01:03:17,220 with I'm going to ask you in our next 1329 01:03:21,410 --> 01:03:18,750 segment to explain what that is very 1330 01:03:22,880 --> 01:03:21,420 briefly before we move on we're talking 1331 01:03:25,279 --> 01:03:22,890 to Larry Holcomb the book is the 1332 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Chris no Chris 1430 01:08:25,010 --> 01:08:22,560 O'Brien booth gene of a para cast Larry 1431 01:08:28,899 --> 01:08:25,020 Hall comes with us you mention a 1432 01:08:31,729 --> 01:08:28,909 specific document that the woods had 1433 01:08:34,970 --> 01:08:31,739 that maybe you're skeptical of could you 1434 01:08:41,419 --> 01:08:34,980 tell us more the Bern memo the Bern memo 1435 01:08:46,269 --> 01:08:41,429 yes is a document that is supposed to 1436 01:08:49,939 --> 01:08:46,279 have been retrieved a CA I see a CIA 1437 01:08:50,890 --> 01:08:49,949 document from the director of Central 1438 01:08:56,959 --> 01:08:50,900 Intelligence 1439 01:09:02,450 --> 01:08:56,969 - I think MJ 2 through 7 or 2 through 8 1440 01:09:09,200 --> 01:09:02,460 not all of the majestic 12 members and 1441 01:09:12,079 --> 01:09:09,210 this document says well I can't quote it 1442 01:09:16,490 --> 01:09:12,089 exactly but in essence the the bottom 1443 01:09:19,189 --> 01:09:16,500 line is that lancer is asking us for 1444 01:09:22,990 --> 01:09:19,199 data that we can't allow him to have 1445 01:09:27,169 --> 01:09:23,000 that is in lancers the codename for 1446 01:09:29,030 --> 01:09:27,179 President Kennedy and what President 1447 01:09:32,930 --> 01:09:29,040 Kennedy wanted which we know for a fact 1448 01:09:39,379 --> 01:09:32,940 is he wanted to share he was asking the 1449 01:09:42,829 --> 01:09:39,389 the CIA for data and and NASA for data 1450 01:09:44,749 --> 01:09:42,839 on our space program that we could share 1451 01:09:46,789 --> 01:09:44,759 with the Russians in other words what we 1452 01:09:48,349 --> 01:09:46,799 knew and then what we had learned and 1453 01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:48,359 all of our information he wanted to 1454 01:09:54,350 --> 01:09:50,489 share with the Russians he was also 1455 01:09:57,399 --> 01:09:54,360 asking the CIA for all information they 1456 01:10:01,010 --> 01:09:57,409 had all identified flying objects and 1457 01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:01,020 the so-called Byrne memo which has burn 1458 01:10:08,149 --> 01:10:03,210 marks around it like somebody pulled it 1459 01:10:10,879 --> 01:10:08,159 out of a furnace states that from the 1460 01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:10,889 director of CIA to these into them these 1461 01:10:16,459 --> 01:10:13,770 various mj-12 numbers that we cannot 1462 01:10:17,150 --> 01:10:16,469 atlast or wants we cannot allow answer 1463 01:10:21,710 --> 01:10:17,160 to have this 1464 01:10:24,200 --> 01:10:21,720 information there are seven or eight tab 1465 01:10:27,620 --> 01:10:24,210 pages that go along with this 1466 01:10:31,700 --> 01:10:27,630 the last tab page is the most chilling 1467 01:10:36,770 --> 01:10:31,710 if underlined if these documents are 1468 01:10:40,430 --> 01:10:36,780 authentic and the last page is a memo 1469 01:10:43,940 --> 01:10:40,440 that says if Washington meaning the 1470 01:10:47,480 --> 01:10:43,950 Kennedy administration and it's very 1471 01:10:50,120 --> 01:10:47,490 hard to read and I can't quote it now in 1472 01:10:54,350 --> 01:10:50,130 depth but it ends up by saying if 1473 01:10:57,710 --> 01:10:54,360 Washington continues to demand this 1474 01:11:03,740 --> 01:10:57,720 information these documents the matter 1475 01:11:06,650 --> 01:11:03,750 must become wet and wet is a well is a 1476 01:11:09,190 --> 01:11:06,660 code word for assassination where this 1477 01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:09,200 actually was actually calling by the KGB 1478 01:11:15,320 --> 01:11:13,170 but it's it's not out of the question to 1479 01:11:19,820 --> 01:11:15,330 think that the CIA would use the same 1480 01:11:22,160 --> 01:11:19,830 code word okay let's get some long and 1481 01:11:24,650 --> 01:11:22,170 short of it why I believe this is a fake 1482 01:11:26,330 --> 01:11:24,660 document I don't say that daimler didn't 1483 01:11:30,850 --> 01:11:26,340 say that I believe it was a fake I'm 1484 01:11:38,240 --> 01:11:30,860 saying that I said I I questioned it I 1485 01:11:40,220 --> 01:11:38,250 know it's it's it's very well it's very 1486 01:11:42,260 --> 01:11:40,230 difficult to believe that your 1487 01:11:46,610 --> 01:11:42,270 government would do something like this 1488 01:11:49,280 --> 01:11:46,620 but on the other hand the woods give it 1489 01:11:52,820 --> 01:11:49,290 their highest level of authenticity and 1490 01:11:55,580 --> 01:11:52,830 it's a original document but own 1491 01:11:59,330 --> 01:11:55,590 original copy if you will in other words 1492 01:12:02,510 --> 01:11:59,340 it is a like a carbon copy so it is 1493 01:12:05,150 --> 01:12:02,520 original it's an original carbon copy 1494 01:12:07,220 --> 01:12:05,160 document it's not a photocopy document 1495 01:12:09,260 --> 01:12:07,230 so that they can look at the paper they 1496 01:12:12,440 --> 01:12:09,270 can look at the watermarks they can have 1497 01:12:15,620 --> 01:12:12,450 the ink tested they can do for forensic 1498 01:12:18,170 --> 01:12:15,630 testing on it which and you know Bob 1499 01:12:23,000 --> 01:12:18,180 wood is a PhD he worked for McGann 1500 01:12:26,500 --> 01:12:23,010 McDonnell Douglas for 40 years and on 1501 01:12:28,450 --> 01:12:26,510 some very top-secret program so he's 1502 01:12:30,890 --> 01:12:28,460 he's not a phony 1503 01:12:33,800 --> 01:12:30,900 he's very legitimate 1504 01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:33,810 and and and he spent a lot of time and 1505 01:12:39,530 --> 01:12:37,290 money investigating these documents he 1506 01:12:43,730 --> 01:12:39,540 gives it his highest level of 1507 01:12:47,770 --> 01:12:43,740 authenticity I'm not that comfortable 1508 01:12:52,940 --> 01:12:47,780 with it but I included in the book I 1509 01:12:59,630 --> 01:12:52,950 include the fact that JFK was very close 1510 01:13:03,560 --> 01:12:59,640 to a man named Arthur London who was had 1511 01:13:08,510 --> 01:13:03,570 a photo interpretation for the CIA and 1512 01:13:11,240 --> 01:13:08,520 NSA I think I guess it was CIA and was 1513 01:13:13,640 --> 01:13:11,250 very helpful and really the lead man on 1514 01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:13,650 the Cuban Missile Crisis interpreting 1515 01:13:19,550 --> 01:13:15,570 photographs in the Cuban Missile Crisis 1516 01:13:22,580 --> 01:13:19,560 art London was also a firm believer in 1517 01:13:27,530 --> 01:13:22,590 the extra-terrestrial hypothesis and he 1518 01:13:32,330 --> 01:13:27,540 was advisor to Kennedy also a person 1519 01:13:37,150 --> 01:13:32,340 very close to Kennedy was Donald dr. 1520 01:13:39,860 --> 01:13:37,160 Donald Menzel who was an astronomer who 1521 01:13:41,690 --> 01:13:39,870 looked like thank you Sanders Astronomy 1522 01:13:45,260 --> 01:13:41,700 Department Harlan right he was a 1523 01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:45,270 notorious UFO skeptic who supposedly was 1524 01:13:50,660 --> 01:13:48,090 at the same time a member of the mj-12 1525 01:13:52,580 --> 01:13:50,670 let me ask you very quickly as I want to 1526 01:13:55,310 --> 01:13:52,590 get back to the presidents do you 1527 01:13:57,200 --> 01:13:55,320 believe the mj-12 organization exists 1528 01:13:59,630 --> 01:13:57,210 today even though the people who were 1529 01:14:01,850 --> 01:13:59,640 part of it are no longer here I think an 1530 01:14:05,240 --> 01:14:01,860 offshoot of it does I don't think it's 1531 01:14:07,280 --> 01:14:05,250 it's probably not that same name they 1532 01:14:09,890 --> 01:14:07,290 probably have a different code word but 1533 01:14:12,620 --> 01:14:09,900 I think in essence that yes it exists 1534 01:14:15,260 --> 01:14:12,630 and it is it is a very small group of 1535 01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:15,270 people very deep within the government 1536 01:14:19,160 --> 01:14:16,650 be at the CIA 1537 01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:19,170 perhaps a few members of few people in 1538 01:14:25,070 --> 01:14:22,650 the CIA a few people in the NSC I don't 1539 01:14:27,980 --> 01:14:25,080 know I mean that's that's really the 1540 01:14:29,870 --> 01:14:27,990 rabbit in the Hat but I think that yeah 1541 01:14:34,490 --> 01:14:29,880 without any question that there is a 1542 01:14:37,250 --> 01:14:34,500 there is a an MGM j12 1543 01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:37,260 type group that exists today without 1544 01:14:41,660 --> 01:14:39,570 question all right let's go back to the 1545 01:14:43,880 --> 01:14:41,670 presidents and what they knew 1546 01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:43,890 and when did they know it so Jimmy 1547 01:14:49,090 --> 01:14:46,650 Carter saw a UFO famously although it 1548 01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:49,100 was later explained for better or worse 1549 01:14:54,919 --> 01:14:51,690 but he wasn't ready Don this is what you 1550 01:14:56,360 --> 01:14:54,929 said no I don't the group that we were 1551 01:15:00,860 --> 01:14:56,370 just talking about I don't think they 1552 01:15:04,189 --> 01:15:00,870 trusted President Carter and and I don't 1553 01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:04,199 think that I don't think that he was 1554 01:15:11,300 --> 01:15:05,850 briefed on it you know their stories 1555 01:15:13,669 --> 01:15:11,310 that George HW Bush briefed him and told 1556 01:15:16,430 --> 01:15:13,679 him he didn't have the clearance to know 1557 01:15:20,030 --> 01:15:16,440 about UFOs know that I questioned all 1558 01:15:23,390 --> 01:15:20,040 that I and I'm just not sure that the 1559 01:15:25,760 --> 01:15:23,400 director of CIA would come in and tell 1560 01:15:27,979 --> 01:15:25,770 and the president the new President or 1561 01:15:30,740 --> 01:15:27,989 even president-elect that sir you don't 1562 01:15:32,870 --> 01:15:30,750 have the the you know you don't have the 1563 01:15:36,350 --> 01:15:32,880 need to know to have this information 1564 01:15:38,750 --> 01:15:36,360 you're asking for the simple thing to do 1565 01:15:43,610 --> 01:15:38,760 is lie to me you know why inclined 1566 01:15:48,550 --> 01:15:43,620 claimant so I questioned those those 1567 01:15:52,700 --> 01:15:48,560 stories but no I don't think Carter was 1568 01:15:56,290 --> 01:15:52,710 was trusted and and I think he wanted 1569 01:16:00,110 --> 01:15:56,300 the information however with that said 1570 01:16:05,169 --> 01:16:00,120 he could have been briefed and probably 1571 01:16:09,790 --> 01:16:05,179 was briefed to a certain level and said 1572 01:16:14,050 --> 01:16:09,800 this is the way it is and drop it 1573 01:16:15,950 --> 01:16:14,060 because once Carter got into office he 1574 01:16:17,959 --> 01:16:15,960 never mentioned it 1575 01:16:20,630 --> 01:16:17,969 come on knowledge he gained publicly he 1576 01:16:23,090 --> 01:16:20,640 tried to stay away from it Jerry Ford 1577 01:16:24,890 --> 01:16:23,100 was deeply involved in it when he was in 1578 01:16:27,020 --> 01:16:24,900 the House of Representatives of course 1579 01:16:28,939 --> 01:16:27,030 that's the hearings where the Condon 1580 01:16:30,410 --> 01:16:28,949 committee came out of that let's get 1581 01:16:33,050 --> 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what for example 1692 01:21:17,140 --> 01:21:14,300 President Carter may or may not have 1693 01:21:19,270 --> 01:21:17,150 known and we understand the fact that he 1694 01:21:21,670 --> 01:21:19,280 had report a UFO sighting before being 1695 01:21:24,340 --> 01:21:21,680 elected president after he takes office 1696 01:21:27,190 --> 01:21:24,350 he doesn't talk about it and he said he 1697 01:21:30,400 --> 01:21:27,200 was going to talk about it right exactly 1698 01:21:34,120 --> 01:21:30,410 now campaign right sure of course what 1699 01:21:36,520 --> 01:21:34,130 president's campaign to do how often 1700 01:21:38,320 --> 01:21:36,530 does that really happen but but let's 1701 01:21:41,230 --> 01:21:38,330 look at this you're making a lot of 1702 01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:41,240 conclusions here on what do you base all 1703 01:21:44,730 --> 01:21:42,770 these conclusions about what a 1704 01:21:47,350 --> 01:21:44,740 particular president knew or didn't know 1705 01:21:50,860 --> 01:21:47,360 you're talking about the conclusions as 1706 01:21:53,050 --> 01:21:50,870 far as is is what what Carter knew or 1707 01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:53,060 what any president would knows about 1708 01:21:58,210 --> 01:21:54,530 this because you're making conclusions 1709 01:22:00,850 --> 01:21:58,220 in this book about presidents and their 1710 01:22:02,700 --> 01:22:00,860 connection to UFOs with a new or what 1711 01:22:04,930 --> 01:22:02,710 they didn't know what they were read in 1712 01:22:08,380 --> 01:22:04,940 how do you come to your various 1713 01:22:10,390 --> 01:22:08,390 conclusions well each president is 1714 01:22:13,150 --> 01:22:10,400 different and and and I try to cover 1715 01:22:15,490 --> 01:22:13,160 that in the book our listeners won't 1716 01:22:17,620 --> 01:22:15,500 have this book till next spring yeah so 1717 01:22:19,990 --> 01:22:17,630 we want to tell our listeners get my 1718 01:22:22,570 --> 01:22:20,000 hint about what you've got here so 1719 01:22:24,610 --> 01:22:22,580 overall you have a lot of conclusions 1720 01:22:26,190 --> 01:22:24,620 you're giving us about what's going on 1721 01:22:28,900 --> 01:22:26,200 what the president's knew or didn't know 1722 01:22:31,150 --> 01:22:28,910 how do you arrive at those conclusions 1723 01:22:33,790 --> 01:22:31,160 because of certain background 1724 01:22:35,410 --> 01:22:33,800 information that involves each president 1725 01:22:38,880 --> 01:22:35,420 in each and all of the background 1726 01:22:42,130 --> 01:22:38,890 information is different it's it's it's 1727 01:22:46,030 --> 01:22:42,140 what Ronald Reagan for instance said 1728 01:22:50,290 --> 01:22:46,040 when he had two sightings of UFOs and 1729 01:22:55,570 --> 01:22:50,300 and and what he said about UFOs Jerry 1730 01:22:58,300 --> 01:22:55,580 Ford was deeply involved to the extent 1731 01:23:00,730 --> 01:22:58,310 of writing a very detailed letter to the 1732 01:23:04,240 --> 01:23:00,740 host armed services to many mental 1733 01:23:06,550 --> 01:23:04,250 Rovers about having congressional 1734 01:23:10,360 --> 01:23:06,560 hearings on it yet when he gets into 1735 01:23:12,670 --> 01:23:10,370 office he says nothing you know when 1736 01:23:16,770 --> 01:23:12,680 Carter gets into office he says nothing 1737 01:23:19,210 --> 01:23:16,780 so all of these presidents had different 1738 01:23:20,320 --> 01:23:19,220 circumstances leading up to becoming 1739 01:23:25,630 --> 01:23:20,330 president 1740 01:23:28,660 --> 01:23:25,640 Lyndon Johnson is an enigma to me that's 1741 01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:28,670 the that's the one person I can't get a 1742 01:23:35,500 --> 01:23:32,449 real good handle on although he was 1743 01:23:39,459 --> 01:23:35,510 involved and was being dogged by dr. 1744 01:23:42,070 --> 01:23:39,469 James E McDonald and dr. J Allen Hynek 1745 01:23:46,300 --> 01:23:42,080 they were riding his coattails his 1746 01:23:50,770 --> 01:23:46,310 backside pretty hard to the point that 1747 01:23:53,350 --> 01:23:50,780 it is reported that he told vice 1748 01:23:56,439 --> 01:23:53,360 president Humphrey to get his science 1749 01:23:58,570 --> 01:23:56,449 advisor and to get a group of people 1750 01:24:02,709 --> 01:23:58,580 together which included Kelly Johnson 1751 01:24:06,550 --> 01:24:02,719 and art alum Hall and others to do a 1752 01:24:11,530 --> 01:24:06,560 study of UFOs and get back to him he 1753 01:24:14,979 --> 01:24:11,540 wanted to get Jim McDonald off his off 1754 01:24:17,350 --> 01:24:14,989 his backside so there are different 1755 01:24:22,450 --> 01:24:17,360 circumstances with every president that 1756 01:24:25,300 --> 01:24:22,460 that you can't say for sure that this is 1757 01:24:28,090 --> 01:24:25,310 this is an absolute fact but you just 1758 01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:28,100 put the dots out there and see if if if 1759 01:24:33,939 --> 01:24:30,890 they're connected and I think in a lot 1760 01:24:36,160 --> 01:24:33,949 of cases many cases most cases the dots 1761 01:24:39,130 --> 01:24:36,170 are connected well let's look at Reagan 1762 01:24:41,530 --> 01:24:39,140 what did Reagan know about UFOs you said 1763 01:24:45,630 --> 01:24:41,540 he has two sightings but once it gets 1764 01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:45,640 into office we have that comment about 1765 01:24:53,580 --> 01:24:49,930 the possibility of war in outer space 1766 01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:53,590 very cryptic comment other than that one 1767 01:24:59,650 --> 01:24:57,770 there are reports then I can't put my 1768 01:25:02,260 --> 01:24:59,660 hand on like this minute but there are 1769 01:25:05,860 --> 01:25:02,270 there is there are reports or a route 1770 01:25:09,810 --> 01:25:05,870 that Reagan's I don't want to say 1771 01:25:13,689 --> 01:25:09,820 analyst but his advisers had a hard time 1772 01:25:16,630 --> 01:25:13,699 keeping him away publicly away from the 1773 01:25:18,459 --> 01:25:16,640 subject of UFOs because he was he was 1774 01:25:21,250 --> 01:25:18,469 very interested in it because he had 1775 01:25:25,450 --> 01:25:21,260 seen it whether that's true or not I 1776 01:25:27,490 --> 01:25:25,460 don't know but it's I wish I could put 1777 01:25:30,580 --> 01:25:27,500 my hands on that information right now 1778 01:25:32,390 --> 01:25:30,590 but yeah Reagan Greg Reagan certainly 1779 01:25:36,290 --> 01:25:32,400 had a deep interest in it this 1780 01:25:39,500 --> 01:25:36,300 there's a he talks about when he was 1781 01:25:41,990 --> 01:25:39,510 governor of California seeing a UFO and 1782 01:25:47,360 --> 01:25:42,000 had his pilot I think they were flying 1783 01:25:49,340 --> 01:25:47,370 on a citation and jet and he saw the UFO 1784 01:25:50,870 --> 01:25:49,350 pointed it as a pilot and they had to 1785 01:25:53,890 --> 01:25:50,880 the pilot actually try to chase the 1786 01:25:57,530 --> 01:25:53,900 thing and someone asked the pilot later 1787 01:26:00,200 --> 01:25:57,540 he really think that Reagan believed 1788 01:26:02,930 --> 01:26:00,210 that the UFOs were extraterrestrial and 1789 01:26:10,390 --> 01:26:02,940 the pilots response was after what we 1790 01:26:18,890 --> 01:26:14,180 yeah I think that I think that that that 1791 01:26:22,220 --> 01:26:18,900 reg then that's a this this briefing 1792 01:26:26,330 --> 01:26:22,230 this alleged briefing that's that's out 1793 01:26:30,800 --> 01:26:26,340 there that I mentioned in the book sort 1794 01:26:33,350 --> 01:26:30,810 of reluctantly but it's it's in my 1795 01:26:35,270 --> 01:26:33,360 boobies file but anyway the briefing 1796 01:26:37,040 --> 01:26:35,280 that William Casey was supposed to have 1797 01:26:44,030 --> 01:26:37,050 given is supposed to have given to 1798 01:26:46,270 --> 01:26:44,040 Ronald Reagan involving Roswell after 1799 01:26:50,240 --> 01:26:46,280 terrestrials that we had recovered 1800 01:26:52,460 --> 01:26:50,250 spacecraft craft that we recovered and 1801 01:26:55,760 --> 01:26:52,470 what have your very lengthy briefing 1802 01:26:59,780 --> 01:26:55,770 it's on that's on the internet again 1803 01:27:03,430 --> 01:26:59,790 where did it come from who released the 1804 01:27:06,980 --> 01:27:03,440 recording where is the actual recording 1805 01:27:10,190 --> 01:27:06,990 the only thing that I find really very 1806 01:27:12,260 --> 01:27:10,200 interesting is and it is that well I 1807 01:27:14,450 --> 01:27:12,270 find the whole thing interesting if it's 1808 01:27:19,760 --> 01:27:14,460 if it's factual if it's factual it's a 1809 01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:19,770 bombshell but it does have reagan's ring 1810 01:27:30,020 --> 01:27:25,770 to it it when you read it it sounds 1811 01:27:32,690 --> 01:27:30,030 regognize and the end the way the 1812 01:27:34,790 --> 01:27:32,700 briefing was done sounds accurate so I 1813 01:27:36,800 --> 01:27:34,800 don't know as I say it rests in my 1814 01:27:41,300 --> 01:27:36,810 dubious file I mention it in the book I 1815 01:27:42,230 --> 01:27:41,310 go into it a little bit but and if that 1816 01:27:45,980 --> 01:27:42,240 if it's accurate 1817 01:27:47,450 --> 01:27:45,990 Reagan was deeply briefed on the subject 1818 01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:47,460 all right we're gonna have to break in a 1819 01:27:50,180 --> 01:27:48,690 couple of minutes but I wanted to bring 1820 01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:50,190 up something earlier and then we'll get 1821 01:27:56,870 --> 01:27:52,530 to later presidents the story that 1822 01:28:00,410 --> 01:27:56,880 Eisenhower allegedly goes to get some 1823 01:28:05,120 --> 01:28:00,420 emergency dental work but really gets to 1824 01:28:07,310 --> 01:28:05,130 see a UFO a couple of aliens that sort 1825 01:28:11,330 --> 01:28:07,320 of thing that story do you take it 1826 01:28:14,780 --> 01:28:11,340 seriously not that story it doesn't add 1827 01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:14,790 up he was only out of the public view I 1828 01:28:20,390 --> 01:28:18,480 mean he was supposed to have broken a 1829 01:28:24,620 --> 01:28:20,400 tooth eating fried chicken at eight 1830 01:28:29,360 --> 01:28:24,630 o'clock at night and they say that he 1831 01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:29,370 was out of the public view well until he 1832 01:28:34,010 --> 01:28:31,770 went to church the next morning well why 1833 01:28:35,420 --> 01:28:34,020 wouldn't he be I mean you know eight 1834 01:28:36,770 --> 01:28:35,430 o'clock at night and cuz you go to 1835 01:28:40,580 --> 01:28:36,780 church the next morning it would the 1836 01:28:43,520 --> 01:28:40,590 president be in the public view he had 1837 01:28:47,540 --> 01:28:43,530 played golf with Ben Hogan either that 1838 01:28:49,940 --> 01:28:47,550 day over the next day or the following 1839 01:28:52,730 --> 01:28:49,950 Monday I think this that was a Saturday 1840 01:28:55,460 --> 01:28:52,740 night then he went to church on Sunday 1841 01:28:57,530 --> 01:28:55,470 and you and he played golf would Ben 1842 01:29:02,150 --> 01:28:57,540 Hogan on Monday and some others he 1843 01:29:05,840 --> 01:29:02,160 played golf with either Samuel Goldwyn 1844 01:29:11,150 --> 01:29:05,850 or one of them Hollywood producers how 1845 01:29:14,630 --> 01:29:11,160 do you go and play golf on one day then 1846 01:29:16,430 --> 01:29:14,640 overnight go and visit extraterrestrials 1847 01:29:19,040 --> 01:29:16,440 and then come back go to church and play 1848 01:29:24,340 --> 01:29:19,050 golf the next day nothing adds up and 1849 01:29:32,570 --> 01:29:27,640 that doesn't add up now I think that was 1850 01:29:35,210 --> 01:29:32,580 1954 I believe I believe that he did go 1851 01:29:37,340 --> 01:29:35,220 to Holloman Air Force Base when he was 1852 01:29:42,170 --> 01:29:37,350 supposed to be quail hunting in Georgia 1853 01:29:47,180 --> 01:29:42,180 in February of 1955 I think that story 1854 01:29:55,630 --> 01:29:47,190 has a great deal of merit to it still I 1855 01:29:59,010 --> 01:29:55,640 believe he went there I believe he saw a 1856 01:30:04,740 --> 01:29:59,020 flying saucer if you will 1857 01:30:07,140 --> 01:30:04,750 I still have problems with the fact that 1858 01:30:10,830 --> 01:30:07,150 and I thought art Campbell research this 1859 01:30:13,620 --> 01:30:10,840 as you all know art Campbell research 1860 01:30:15,720 --> 01:30:13,630 this in depth and art gave me a great 1861 01:30:17,640 --> 01:30:15,730 deal of information on it let's pursue 1862 01:30:20,460 --> 01:30:17,650 this further our next segment then we'll 1863 01:30:22,410 --> 01:30:20,470 get back to a quick summary of what the 1864 01:30:23,930 --> 01:30:22,420 other presidents may or may not know 1865 01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:23,940 then we'll get some more questions 1866 01:30:31,680 --> 01:30:27,010 involved we have Larry Holcomb the book 1867 01:30:33,710 --> 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think because of George Bush was 1979 01:35:48,570 --> 01:35:45,070 director of CIA that he had all the the 1980 01:35:52,170 --> 01:35:48,580 UFO information he was only head of CIA 1981 01:35:54,570 --> 01:35:52,180 director of CIA one year you had Allen 1982 01:35:57,990 --> 01:35:54,580 Dulles there was director for what six 1983 01:36:00,090 --> 01:35:58,000 seven eight years Colby for a number of 1984 01:36:03,000 --> 01:36:00,100 years you got a lot of people that 1985 01:36:07,140 --> 01:36:03,010 worked the record CIA far longer than 1986 01:36:09,570 --> 01:36:07,150 Bush so because he was director of CIA 1987 01:36:12,330 --> 01:36:09,580 for Indiana and I really don't know that 1988 01:36:16,530 --> 01:36:12,340 the director of CIA they are they're 1989 01:36:19,170 --> 01:36:16,540 appointed and how much they are really 1990 01:36:21,750 --> 01:36:19,180 on the inside either although certainly 1991 01:36:25,170 --> 01:36:21,760 more some more than others 1992 01:36:26,700 --> 01:36:25,180 now Bush certainly could have been but 1993 01:36:27,209 --> 01:36:26,710 there's only so much he could have 1994 01:36:31,339 --> 01:36:27,219 learned 1995 01:36:35,459 --> 01:36:31,349 the subject with everything else is CCI 1996 01:36:38,879 --> 01:36:35,469 that he had to deal with so this one 1997 01:36:42,600 --> 01:36:38,889 subject is is a really a big playful to 1998 01:36:47,370 --> 01:36:42,610 learn in one year however with that 1999 01:36:51,270 --> 01:36:47,380 being said he leaves central 2000 01:36:55,310 --> 01:36:51,280 intelligence then becomes vice president 2001 01:36:58,680 --> 01:36:55,320 with Reagan who was obviously extremely 2002 01:37:01,589 --> 01:36:58,690 interested in the subject and then 2003 01:37:07,049 --> 01:37:01,599 becomes president himself so that by 2004 01:37:10,560 --> 01:37:07,059 that time he could be really deeply 2005 01:37:14,879 --> 01:37:10,570 involved in the and have a great deal of 2006 01:37:17,219 --> 01:37:14,889 knowledge in the the UFO issue but I 2007 01:37:23,040 --> 01:37:17,229 don't necessarily think that it's 2008 01:37:25,640 --> 01:37:23,050 because he was DCI or for one year but 2009 01:37:28,229 --> 01:37:25,650 that's that's my opinion 2010 01:37:30,899 --> 01:37:28,239 Chris do we have some listener questions 2011 01:37:33,089 --> 01:37:30,909 you want to bring up now yeah I do 2012 01:37:36,259 --> 01:37:33,099 actually being there's a number of them 2013 01:37:38,790 --> 01:37:36,269 here that we've already covered but 2014 01:37:42,870 --> 01:37:38,800 Larry looking at the executive briefing 2015 01:37:45,419 --> 01:37:42,880 dog document that women is fairly 2016 01:37:47,850 --> 01:37:45,429 certain that we're very certain is real 2017 01:37:52,140 --> 01:37:47,860 do you think that that particular 2018 01:37:55,469 --> 01:37:52,150 briefing for eisenhower and 50p happened 2019 01:38:00,899 --> 01:37:55,479 and this document is legitimate I think 2020 01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:00,909 yeah I think the that document there's 2021 01:38:06,290 --> 01:38:03,489 now a briefing document is is legitimate 2022 01:38:11,750 --> 01:38:06,300 I that's that's my opinion 2023 01:38:14,759 --> 01:38:11,760 I've looked at it I've looked at the 2024 01:38:17,969 --> 01:38:14,769 points that people bring up one of them 2025 01:38:22,020 --> 01:38:17,979 is you don't get my documents confused 2026 01:38:23,580 --> 01:38:22,030 man but yeah to answer your question I 2027 01:38:28,169 --> 01:38:23,590 think that there's now our briefing 2028 01:38:30,959 --> 01:38:28,179 document it is is legitimate okay I have 2029 01:38:34,979 --> 01:38:30,969 another question and this comes from 2030 01:38:38,069 --> 01:38:34,989 stagger Lee who has been a forum post in 2031 01:38:40,560 --> 01:38:38,079 September 2012 and he's uh he's 2032 01:38:42,240 --> 01:38:40,570 wondering kind of a follow up to the 2033 01:38:43,770 --> 01:38:42,250 above 2034 01:38:45,450 --> 01:38:43,780 he's wondering if you believe the US 2035 01:38:47,820 --> 01:38:45,460 government is aware of the abduction 2036 01:38:53,730 --> 01:38:47,830 phenomena and if they think it's a real 2037 01:38:56,310 --> 01:38:53,740 ongoing program oh yeah absolutely 2038 01:39:00,990 --> 01:38:56,320 I absolutely do think they are aware of 2039 01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:01,000 it and actually they've been deeply 2040 01:39:09,930 --> 01:39:08,040 what I mean well it's follow this all 2041 01:39:11,250 --> 01:39:09,940 question is do you think that there's 2042 01:39:13,590 --> 01:39:11,260 some sort of agreement between the 2043 01:39:17,100 --> 01:39:13,600 government and the intelligence is 2044 01:39:19,680 --> 01:39:17,110 responsible for the functions do I think 2045 01:39:24,150 --> 01:39:19,690 that there's an agreement between the 2046 01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:24,160 government and extraterrestrials or the 2047 01:39:27,570 --> 01:39:26,050 intelligence is responsible we don't 2048 01:39:30,630 --> 01:39:27,580 really truly know if they're actually 2049 01:39:32,490 --> 01:39:30,640 terrestrial Reagan's comment aside you 2050 01:39:35,850 --> 01:39:32,500 know what else would they be we don't 2051 01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:35,860 have a shred of proof or evidence that I 2052 01:39:38,760 --> 01:39:37,690 know of correct me if I'm wrong that 2053 01:39:41,970 --> 01:39:38,770 we're dealing with off-planet 2054 01:39:43,950 --> 01:39:41,980 intelligences so the question is a 2055 01:39:46,410 --> 01:39:43,960 little bit more general but you know we 2056 01:39:48,390 --> 01:39:46,420 are dealing with something that you feel 2057 01:39:50,370 --> 01:39:48,400 is a real phenomenon and you think the 2058 01:39:58,530 --> 01:39:50,380 government is in cahoots with whomever 2059 01:40:02,210 --> 01:39:58,540 is you know behind the abductions that's 2060 01:40:05,310 --> 01:40:02,220 in my dubious basket I just don't know I 2061 01:40:08,190 --> 01:40:05,320 don't think anybody else does you know 2062 01:40:10,710 --> 01:40:08,200 that we've got there people that says 2063 01:40:12,140 --> 01:40:10,720 that say that when Eisenhower that 2064 01:40:14,130 --> 01:40:12,150 Eisenhower met with the 2065 01:40:18,060 --> 01:40:14,140 extraterrestrials and they signed 2066 01:40:20,340 --> 01:40:18,070 treaties where the were so certain 2067 01:40:22,680 --> 01:40:20,350 amount of people could be abducted and 2068 01:40:26,390 --> 01:40:22,690 studied and as long as they weren't her 2069 01:40:28,350 --> 01:40:26,400 armed and and returned and the the 2070 01:40:32,910 --> 01:40:28,360 extraterrestrials haven't lived up to 2071 01:40:36,870 --> 01:40:32,920 this that's all the rubbish 2072 01:40:39,150 --> 01:40:36,880 that's good science fiction yeah and 2073 01:40:43,020 --> 01:40:39,160 you're not I just don't I don't go there 2074 01:40:45,380 --> 01:40:43,030 it's it's just it's too far out of the 2075 01:40:48,120 --> 01:40:45,390 mainstream for as far as I'm concerned 2076 01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:48,130 well here's another question from Dave M 2077 01:40:54,950 --> 01:40:50,970 who is a longtime poster here at warm 2078 01:40:56,960 --> 01:40:54,960 CARICOM Dave's been tuning in since 2007 2079 01:40:58,880 --> 01:40:56,970 and he's wondering Larry if you believe 2080 01:41:01,100 --> 01:40:58,890 President Kennedy and Marilyn Monroe 2081 01:41:03,020 --> 01:41:01,110 were killed because even one of them 2082 01:41:04,820 --> 01:41:03,030 neither parties were getting ready to 2083 01:41:10,100 --> 01:41:04,830 announce what they knew about aliens and 2084 01:41:12,950 --> 01:41:10,110 UFOs I would take Marilyn Monroe out of 2085 01:41:15,260 --> 01:41:12,960 the equation I don't know how she would 2086 01:41:18,050 --> 01:41:15,270 fit into it and if I think if she came 2087 01:41:22,640 --> 01:41:18,060 out and said it it probably would be 2088 01:41:24,140 --> 01:41:22,650 ridiculed anyway oh if she had tried and 2089 01:41:26,540 --> 01:41:24,150 said something like that it would have 2090 01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:26,550 been it would have been ridiculed a lot 2091 01:41:36,590 --> 01:41:33,210 more people with much higher credentials 2092 01:41:41,050 --> 01:41:36,600 that have have said such things than 2093 01:41:44,930 --> 01:41:41,060 Marilyn Monroe as far as John F Kennedy 2094 01:41:49,280 --> 01:41:44,940 was he assassinated I cover that in in 2095 01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:49,290 my book and I give all the reasons the 2096 01:41:59,960 --> 01:41:53,730 the Byrne memo to his advisors were who 2097 01:42:02,750 --> 01:41:59,970 was who was head of counterintelligence 2098 01:42:05,630 --> 01:42:02,760 for the CIA which was James Jesus 2099 01:42:12,730 --> 01:42:05,640 angleton who was a brilliant but rather 2100 01:42:24,200 --> 01:42:17,530 pulling off a very very complicated 2101 01:42:26,570 --> 01:42:24,210 conspiracy for an assassination for 2102 01:42:29,360 --> 01:42:26,580 Kennedy's assassination if such a thing 2103 01:42:32,900 --> 01:42:29,370 occurred it would he was certainly 2104 01:42:37,280 --> 01:42:32,910 capable of doing that and and and I just 2105 01:42:40,130 --> 01:42:37,290 I lay these ladies what facts they all 2106 01:42:43,970 --> 01:42:40,140 right and let the reader decide if the 2107 01:42:46,610 --> 01:42:43,980 dots are connected personally I don't 2108 01:42:49,550 --> 01:42:46,620 know I think it's I think it's within 2109 01:42:54,080 --> 01:42:49,560 the realm of possibility I think it's I 2110 01:42:57,500 --> 01:42:54,090 think the the Kennedy involvement in 2111 01:43:06,470 --> 01:42:57,510 this issue this extraterrestrial issue 2112 01:43:08,330 --> 01:43:06,480 is its form far more could carry far 2113 01:43:11,780 --> 01:43:08,340 more weight than a lot of the fans 2114 01:43:15,170 --> 01:43:11,790 plastic conspiracy theories that float 2115 01:43:16,490 --> 01:43:15,180 around about and there's a bunch there's 2116 01:43:17,990 --> 01:43:16,500 a bunch of Antigua 2117 01:43:20,810 --> 01:43:18,000 yeah well here's the question for 2118 01:43:23,630 --> 01:43:20,820 math-tastic who's been a forum poster at 2119 01:43:26,300 --> 01:43:23,640 forum dr. Peric ask.com since July 2012 2120 01:43:28,670 --> 01:43:26,310 and he's wondering uh Larry if you could 2121 01:43:31,900 --> 01:43:28,680 share in your opinion what you feel is 2122 01:43:34,430 --> 01:43:31,910 the most overlooked and or unknown story 2123 01:43:41,180 --> 01:43:34,440 regarding presidents and UFOs good 2124 01:43:43,940 --> 01:43:41,190 question what is the most unknown story 2125 01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:43,950 and viral or overlooked overlooked and 2126 01:43:49,700 --> 01:43:47,010 or unknown story I think the most 2127 01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:49,710 overlooked story is is the Bob lemon 2128 01:43:55,580 --> 01:43:53,370 ogre story and and the his documentary 2129 01:43:59,600 --> 01:43:55,590 and the background of the documentary I 2130 01:44:03,350 --> 01:43:59,610 think that's I think that that that 2131 01:44:05,690 --> 01:44:03,360 story coming from someone of Bob Velma 2132 01:44:07,580 --> 01:44:05,700 makers character who I've gotten to know 2133 01:44:09,530 --> 01:44:07,590 well I've even spent the night at his 2134 01:44:12,350 --> 01:44:09,540 house my wife and I spent that invited 2135 01:44:14,180 --> 01:44:12,360 to his house guest host and I 2136 01:44:16,640 --> 01:44:14,190 interviewed and talked to Bob at length 2137 01:44:22,700 --> 01:44:16,650 and we we've correspondent he sent me 2138 01:44:26,930 --> 01:44:22,710 reams of documents and I think that 2139 01:44:29,450 --> 01:44:26,940 story and the fact that he made a 2140 01:44:30,890 --> 01:44:29,460 documentary that had that obviously had 2141 01:44:35,690 --> 01:44:30,900 the support of the government it's one 2142 01:44:40,970 --> 01:44:35,700 of the most over overlooked issues in 2143 01:44:43,130 --> 01:44:40,980 ufology today and the fact that she 2144 01:44:45,500 --> 01:44:43,140 discussed the fact that the the Holloman 2145 01:44:48,140 --> 01:44:45,510 landing footage was offered 600 feet of 2146 01:44:53,150 --> 01:44:48,150 footage was offered the production crew 2147 01:44:56,750 --> 01:44:53,160 and then one perhaps let me let me add 2148 01:44:59,630 --> 01:44:56,760 to that the film was offered and then it 2149 01:45:03,590 --> 01:44:59,640 was taken away and the reason it was 2150 01:45:06,440 --> 01:45:03,600 taken away was Watergate exploded her 2151 01:45:08,960 --> 01:45:06,450 design and then Watergate exploded and 2152 01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:08,970 they came Tim his contact Bill 2153 01:45:12,920 --> 01:45:10,800 Carruthers that the White House came to 2154 01:45:14,780 --> 01:45:12,930 him and said Bob I'm sorry to tell you 2155 01:45:15,710 --> 01:45:14,790 we can't give you the film we're just 2156 01:45:17,660 --> 01:45:15,720 getting too much heat 2157 01:45:20,610 --> 01:45:17,670 now that's we're gonna have a lot of 2158 01:45:22,590 --> 01:45:20,620 heat if we gone through this break okay 2159 01:45:30,630 --> 01:45:22,600 all right Larry Holcomb is with gene and 2160 01:45:33,000 --> 01:45:30,640 Chris you're 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01:47:44,040 --> 01:47:37,320 healing the world with nature one person 2203 01:47:49,850 --> 01:47:46,120 [Applause] 2204 01:47:54,160 --> 01:47:49,860 welcome back to the para cast the gold 2205 01:48:02,240 --> 01:47:54,170 standard of paranormal radio and now 2206 01:48:04,399 --> 01:48:02,250 here's Jean Steinberg of course a crazy 2207 01:48:07,790 --> 01:48:04,409 conspiracy theory Larry Hall come would 2208 01:48:12,169 --> 01:48:07,800 be that Watergate was discovered and 2209 01:48:14,959 --> 01:48:12,179 revealed to hide disclosure of UFOs and 2210 01:48:18,549 --> 01:48:14,969 prevented ooh yeah that's a good one 2211 01:48:22,609 --> 01:48:18,559 Jean I've never heard what happened yeah 2212 01:48:26,689 --> 01:48:22,619 yeah that's kind of a ring to it doesn't 2213 01:48:28,280 --> 01:48:26,699 it Larry yeah yeah it really does that's 2214 01:48:31,010 --> 01:48:28,290 it that's the thing only you got me 2215 01:48:32,750 --> 01:48:31,020 there yeah yeah I like that Jean we're 2216 01:48:35,000 --> 01:48:32,760 gonna have to look into that more Larry 2217 01:48:37,069 --> 01:48:35,010 I think that's a good one now here's one 2218 01:48:38,930 --> 01:48:37,079 convince me hi folks and this is one 2219 01:48:40,490 --> 01:48:38,940 that I've often wondered and his 2220 01:48:43,549 --> 01:48:40,500 question is is there any evidence 2221 01:48:47,390 --> 01:48:43,559 whatsoever the President Truman actually 2222 01:48:50,600 --> 01:48:47,400 inspected the Roswell crash saucer 3 not 2223 01:48:52,280 --> 01:48:50,610 that I know uh not that I've ever heard 2224 01:48:54,979 --> 01:48:52,290 I'm not saying that he didn't but I've 2225 01:48:57,740 --> 01:48:54,989 never read anywhere that he that he did 2226 01:48:59,240 --> 01:48:57,750 at all I don't know that it would be 2227 01:49:00,799 --> 01:48:59,250 necessary for him to do it that's not 2228 01:49:03,379 --> 01:49:00,809 saying that he didn't out of curiosity 2229 01:49:05,330 --> 01:49:03,389 but he wasn't us he's not a son he was 2230 01:49:06,260 --> 01:49:05,340 fun to show me the misery on Missouri 2231 01:49:09,500 --> 01:49:06,270 the show-me-state 2232 01:49:12,950 --> 01:49:09,510 so one would think something as you know 2233 01:49:15,310 --> 01:49:12,960 amazing and groundbreaking has you know 2234 01:49:16,669 --> 01:49:15,320 debris from an actual extraterrestrial 2235 01:49:18,620 --> 01:49:16,679 craft 2236 01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:18,630 you'd think that the the show-me 2237 01:49:23,689 --> 01:49:21,360 president you know you had to sign the 2238 01:49:26,510 --> 01:49:23,699 buck stops here you'd be very interested 2239 01:49:29,540 --> 01:49:26,520 to see that and would would make some 2240 01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:29,550 sort of effort to ascertain you know for 2241 01:49:34,580 --> 01:49:32,159 himself not only rely on his you know 2242 01:49:35,479 --> 01:49:34,590 military personnel but also possibly 2243 01:49:37,510 --> 01:49:35,489 fear himself 2244 01:49:40,250 --> 01:49:37,520 that's good question actually number 2245 01:49:43,850 --> 01:49:40,260 ideas I have never seen any 2246 01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:43,860 documentation anywhere that really 2247 01:49:48,260 --> 01:49:46,050 points in that direction there may have 2248 01:49:49,970 --> 01:49:48,270 been some speculation somebody writing 2249 01:49:51,799 --> 01:49:49,980 some speculation on it but I've ever 2250 01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:51,809 seen and not to say that it didn't 2251 01:49:57,260 --> 01:49:55,050 happen I just have not seen in any of 2252 01:49:59,330 --> 01:49:57,270 the research that I've done that there's 2253 01:50:02,479 --> 01:49:59,340 any concrete evidence 2254 01:50:08,479 --> 01:50:02,489 that he did I think there was a report 2255 01:50:12,200 --> 01:50:08,489 that he went to perhaps New Mexico at 2256 01:50:15,770 --> 01:50:12,210 some point during that time but that was 2257 01:50:17,300 --> 01:50:15,780 proven to be false so no I don't know of 2258 01:50:20,450 --> 01:50:17,310 it I'm not saying that he didn't but I 2259 01:50:22,370 --> 01:50:20,460 don't I don't know well here's another 2260 01:50:24,680 --> 01:50:22,380 interesting question that I've always 2261 01:50:27,620 --> 01:50:24,690 had and that is I've seen over the years 2262 01:50:32,089 --> 01:50:27,630 kind of infant allegation that Werner 2263 01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:32,099 von Braun was present at some point soon 2264 01:50:36,709 --> 01:50:35,010 after the Roswell story broke and that 2265 01:50:38,689 --> 01:50:36,719 he had come up from white stands to 2266 01:50:41,479 --> 01:50:38,699 ascertain the situation for himself I 2267 01:50:45,070 --> 01:50:41,489 have never seen any sort of smoking gun 2268 01:50:47,870 --> 01:50:45,080 evidence that the defense industrial 2269 01:50:51,290 --> 01:50:47,880 Security Council or disc 2270 01:50:53,870 --> 01:50:51,300 I love the acronym which he was I think 2271 01:50:56,510 --> 01:50:53,880 head of at the time was shortly 2272 01:50:58,399 --> 01:50:56,520 thereafter I've never seen any real 2273 01:51:00,439 --> 01:50:58,409 smoking gun evidence that he did make a 2274 01:51:02,030 --> 01:51:00,449 trip to Roswell but I but it's come up 2275 01:51:03,859 --> 01:51:02,040 in a number of conversations with 2276 01:51:07,160 --> 01:51:03,869 researchers over the years have you ever 2277 01:51:10,370 --> 01:51:07,170 encountered any documentation that's a 2278 01:51:13,700 --> 01:51:10,380 job on behind mr. president yeah but I 2279 01:51:16,220 --> 01:51:13,710 can't put my finger on it in it there's 2280 01:51:18,200 --> 01:51:16,230 no question that you had a lot of misses 2281 01:51:20,990 --> 01:51:18,210 down the road I mean white sands is sit 2282 01:51:23,359 --> 01:51:21,000 down I mean I would certainly think that 2283 01:51:25,760 --> 01:51:23,369 he would have been in the loop 2284 01:51:27,800 --> 01:51:25,770 maybe not but I'll tell you well that's 2285 01:51:29,930 --> 01:51:27,810 why I say if there was any suspicion 2286 01:51:32,750 --> 01:51:29,940 that it could have been you know German 2287 01:51:36,589 --> 01:51:32,760 technology that was being but brought 2288 01:51:38,030 --> 01:51:36,599 out in in brazenly displayed for you 2289 01:51:40,990 --> 01:51:38,040 know for the southern tier of military 2290 01:51:46,129 --> 01:51:41,000 and security apparatus the United States 2291 01:51:48,439 --> 01:51:46,139 you would think Hermann Oberth somebody 2292 01:51:50,780 --> 01:51:48,449 would have been brought in at least and 2293 01:51:53,300 --> 01:51:50,790 brought into the loop and and possibly 2294 01:51:57,050 --> 01:51:53,310 even make a trip there themselves I have 2295 01:51:59,419 --> 01:51:57,060 heard that there are some little hint / 2296 01:52:01,850 --> 01:51:59,429 you said I mean I can't put my finger on 2297 01:52:04,070 --> 01:52:01,860 where exactly I saw this for who I heard 2298 01:52:06,859 --> 01:52:04,080 it from but that he actually did make a 2299 01:52:09,709 --> 01:52:06,869 a quick trip up to Roswell soon after 2300 01:52:11,240 --> 01:52:09,719 the the story broke well it could very 2301 01:52:12,950 --> 01:52:11,250 well be I mean you had there were 2302 01:52:18,709 --> 01:52:12,960 there's no question of a lot of pee 2303 01:52:21,950 --> 01:52:18,719 edward teller lakeville applause clyde 2304 01:52:24,740 --> 01:52:21,960 tombaugh dr. charles moore who was 2305 01:52:28,520 --> 01:52:24,750 involved in the General Mills sky 2306 01:52:31,400 --> 01:52:28,530 balloon deal that had seen a saucer in 2307 01:52:33,890 --> 01:52:31,410 his I forget what they call those things 2308 01:52:36,320 --> 01:52:33,900 at the time that they viewed weather 2309 01:52:40,010 --> 01:52:36,330 balloons through the models the Mogul 2310 01:52:44,170 --> 01:52:40,020 balloons Ranma yeah you had Enrico Fermi 2311 01:52:47,540 --> 01:52:44,180 all of these people at Sandia and Los 2312 01:52:50,270 --> 01:52:47,550 Alamos had seen these things they had 2313 01:52:53,240 --> 01:52:50,280 seen these green fireballs all of these 2314 01:52:56,720 --> 01:52:53,250 ancestors they had seen them and so you 2315 01:52:59,030 --> 01:52:56,730 would think that certainly he would be 2316 01:53:01,400 --> 01:52:59,040 on that same that same level and would 2317 01:53:03,050 --> 01:53:01,410 have but I don't know that was a 2318 01:53:05,870 --> 01:53:03,060 question for our listening audience if 2319 01:53:08,930 --> 01:53:05,880 anybody knows of a source that can be 2320 01:53:11,330 --> 01:53:08,940 cited that does indicate that one of our 2321 01:53:13,820 --> 01:53:11,340 Braun was present at Roswell at some 2322 01:53:15,920 --> 01:53:13,830 point actually during this really after 2323 01:53:19,190 --> 01:53:15,930 the story broke I'd be very interested 2324 01:53:23,120 --> 01:53:19,200 to know and with our vast listening 2325 01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:23,130 audience out there question because it's 2326 01:53:28,700 --> 01:53:26,370 it's really very interesting that all of 2327 01:53:31,760 --> 01:53:28,710 these very prominent scientists had seen 2328 01:53:35,150 --> 01:53:31,770 these things and one scientist said that 2329 01:53:37,370 --> 01:53:35,160 they were they had become so common when 2330 01:53:40,250 --> 01:53:37,380 they were having nuclear tests or rocket 2331 01:53:42,260 --> 01:53:40,260 launches or what have you that the 2332 01:53:43,820 --> 01:53:42,270 things showed up every time they had one 2333 01:53:46,490 --> 01:53:43,830 of these tests but they just started 2334 01:53:48,500 --> 01:53:46,500 ignoring them that it that they got you 2335 01:53:50,630 --> 01:53:48,510 know they were there and and all these 2336 01:53:52,970 --> 01:53:50,640 prominent size scientists saw it you 2337 01:53:56,709 --> 01:53:52,980 know the famous story about who was at 2338 01:53:58,610 --> 01:53:56,719 Clyde Tombaugh that he and his wife and 2339 01:54:02,420 --> 01:53:58,620 family member was sitting in his 2340 01:54:05,180 --> 01:54:02,430 backyard in New Mexico saw this this 2341 01:54:08,270 --> 01:54:05,190 object while the he said was astounding 2342 01:54:09,890 --> 01:54:08,280 that he he saw you remind to remind our 2343 01:54:12,740 --> 01:54:09,900 listeners who look like Tom about what 2344 01:54:16,430 --> 01:54:12,750 what me Hoover's a man was he was a 2345 01:54:18,979 --> 01:54:16,440 scientist discovered Pluto I'm thinking 2346 01:54:21,170 --> 01:54:18,989 of Clyde Tolson yeah I know Tom ball was 2347 01:54:24,620 --> 01:54:21,180 it was the scientist he worked at I 2348 01:54:26,510 --> 01:54:24,630 don't know if he was at Sandia or Los 2349 01:54:30,020 --> 01:54:26,520 Alamos I think was once our 2350 01:54:30,530 --> 01:54:30,030 and he was the he was he discovered 2351 01:54:33,170 --> 01:54:30,540 Pluto 2352 01:54:35,810 --> 01:54:33,180 so that was so right of course and then 2353 01:54:41,480 --> 01:54:35,820 founded the Astronomy Department NAU up 2354 01:54:43,640 --> 01:54:41,490 the road yeah of course yeah I have you 2355 01:54:45,200 --> 01:54:43,650 know read over the years accounts of 2356 01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:45,210 Sandy and Los Alamos scientists 2357 01:54:50,540 --> 01:54:47,010 especially during the green fire of all 2358 01:54:52,880 --> 01:54:50,550 waves of the late forties quite a number 2359 01:54:55,790 --> 01:54:52,890 of them saw anything there's a question 2360 01:54:58,930 --> 01:54:55,800 from Blowfish who's one of our are very 2361 01:55:01,040 --> 01:54:58,940 active posters at for America's calm 2362 01:55:03,050 --> 01:55:01,050 here's occupation he put down his 2363 01:55:04,550 --> 01:55:03,060 speaking knowledge and here's this 2364 01:55:07,220 --> 01:55:04,560 question trying to beat the long hours 2365 01:55:09,860 --> 01:55:07,230 do you think other government leaders 2366 01:55:12,680 --> 01:55:09,870 have their own type of mj-12 groups 2367 01:55:15,440 --> 01:55:12,690 which use ultra secret cryptid systems 2368 01:55:18,440 --> 01:55:15,450 to pass on information regarding such 2369 01:55:21,770 --> 01:55:18,450 events of so-called predator encounters 2370 01:55:24,530 --> 01:55:21,780 which subjects have been taken I'm not 2371 01:55:26,060 --> 01:55:24,540 exactly sure what he's asking here but I 2372 01:55:28,400 --> 01:55:26,070 think the gist of it is do you think 2373 01:55:30,950 --> 01:55:28,410 other governments have compartmentalized 2374 01:55:36,340 --> 01:55:30,960 groups or highly secretive groups that 2375 01:55:40,250 --> 01:55:36,350 that are vacuum cleaner up this type of 2376 01:55:43,430 --> 01:55:40,260 information craft saucers let's say very 2377 01:55:46,070 --> 01:55:43,440 close encounter experiences within the 2378 01:55:47,450 --> 01:55:46,080 military that sort of thing and and if 2379 01:55:49,880 --> 01:55:47,460 they do do you think they're siphoning 2380 01:55:52,070 --> 01:55:49,890 these these these events and the 2381 01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:52,080 information off to the US government but 2382 01:55:56,960 --> 01:55:53,490 do you think they're holding on to them 2383 01:55:59,180 --> 01:55:56,970 not being autonomously well I think that 2384 01:56:01,280 --> 01:55:59,190 we're very questions that all of the 2385 01:56:04,070 --> 01:56:01,290 gold most all of the government's if not 2386 01:56:06,320 --> 01:56:04,080 all of them because the UFO issue the 2387 01:56:08,660 --> 01:56:06,330 phenomenon is is worldwide and it's 2388 01:56:12,020 --> 01:56:08,670 happened to to all countries around the 2389 01:56:14,270 --> 01:56:12,030 globe and I think that that certainly 2390 01:56:19,400 --> 01:56:14,280 most if not all of the governments have 2391 01:56:22,340 --> 01:56:19,410 some operating group that look into this 2392 01:56:25,250 --> 01:56:22,350 some more than others and I also think 2393 01:56:27,140 --> 01:56:25,260 that they're becoming more especially 2394 01:56:31,700 --> 01:56:27,150 South American countries are coming far 2395 01:56:34,430 --> 01:56:31,710 more open with what they have and what 2396 01:56:40,550 --> 01:56:34,440 they have found and what they have on 2397 01:56:43,820 --> 01:56:40,560 file and leaving the United States 2398 01:56:46,450 --> 01:56:43,830 as I states in the book like a stupid 2399 01:56:49,340 --> 01:56:46,460 ostrich with its head stuck in the Sun 2400 01:56:51,890 --> 01:56:49,350 where where you've got all of these 2401 01:56:54,050 --> 01:56:51,900 other countries that are becoming more 2402 01:56:57,530 --> 01:56:54,060 and more open and releasing their files 2403 01:56:58,640 --> 01:56:57,540 and and whether they're sharing 2404 01:57:00,650 --> 01:56:58,650 information with us they're probably 2405 01:57:02,900 --> 01:57:00,660 getting fed up with since they've you 2406 01:57:08,000 --> 01:57:02,910 know we're gonna you know the United 2407 01:57:11,330 --> 01:57:08,010 States's is it's being ridiculous and 2408 01:57:13,840 --> 01:57:11,340 we're similar later I wouldn't I would 2409 01:57:18,200 --> 01:57:13,850 not be surprised to see a major country 2410 01:57:20,570 --> 01:57:18,210 like France just completely open up and 2411 01:57:23,420 --> 01:57:20,580 saying you know we've we've we've got 2412 01:57:25,100 --> 01:57:23,430 the proof we got to our break the book 2413 01:57:27,500 --> 01:57:25,110 is the presidents and UFOs Larry 2414 01:57:29,510 --> 01:57:27,510 Holcomb's our guest and before we're 2415 01:57:31,850 --> 01:57:29,520 warned by our sponsors that we gotta do 2416 01:57:38,180 --> 01:57:31,860 this break let me tell you with gene and 2417 01:57:41,600 --> 01:57:38,190 Chris you're in the para Cass neighbors 2418 01:57:44,590 --> 01:57:41,610 are you tired of dealing with a slow web 2419 01:57:47,900 --> 01:57:44,600 hosting provider well check out a to 2420 01:57:51,470 --> 01:57:47,910 hosting and they're screaming fast Swift 2421 01:57:54,560 --> 01:57:51,480 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02:01:43,860 --> 02:01:41,620 head to alcove isn't calm we'd like to 2506 02:01:46,320 --> 02:01:43,870 hear from you if you have a comment or 2507 02:01:50,040 --> 02:01:46,330 question about the para cast sent it to 2508 02:01:52,399 --> 02:01:50,050 news at the para cast calm that's news 2509 02:01:54,169 --> 02:01:52,409 at the para cast 2510 02:01:57,229 --> 02:01:54,179 and don't forget to visit our famous 2511 02:02:01,459 --> 02:01:57,239 para cast community forums at forum 2512 02:02:02,990 --> 02:02:01,469 without the para cast calm on the para 2513 02:02:04,820 --> 02:02:03,000 cast with Jean and Chris were asking 2514 02:02:07,220 --> 02:02:04,830 questions of our guests Larry Holcomb 2515 02:02:10,280 --> 02:02:07,230 the book is the president's and UFOs 2516 02:02:12,320 --> 02:02:10,290 coming out from st. Martin's Press next 2517 02:02:15,140 --> 02:02:12,330 year but you're getting a preview right 2518 02:02:17,149 --> 02:02:15,150 now that's cool Chris any more questions 2519 02:02:20,450 --> 02:02:17,159 before we get back to some things I want 2520 02:02:23,060 --> 02:02:20,460 to bring up yes our good friend pulled 2521 02:02:26,060 --> 02:02:23,070 words from Germany yes in a long time 2522 02:02:28,879 --> 02:02:26,070 poster here at the Bearcat and you too 2523 02:02:32,030 --> 02:02:28,889 can ask questions of our guests just go 2524 02:02:33,740 --> 02:02:32,040 to forum dr. Carrick ascom sign up 2525 02:02:35,750 --> 02:02:33,750 become a member and you can ask 2526 02:02:37,700 --> 02:02:35,760 questions that will asked on the air now 2527 02:02:41,209 --> 02:02:37,710 potent words is really interested in 2528 02:02:44,000 --> 02:02:41,219 Jimmy Carter society and as you probably 2529 02:02:46,540 --> 02:02:44,010 know Larry some people have said that he 2530 02:02:49,340 --> 02:02:46,550 may have seen a star low on the horizon 2531 02:02:51,590 --> 02:02:49,350 like a binary star for instance Arcturus 2532 02:02:54,560 --> 02:02:51,600 of people geez sometimes when it gets 2533 02:02:56,600 --> 02:02:54,570 low the atmospheric lensing separates 2534 02:02:57,919 --> 02:02:56,610 the blue and the red colors and it makes 2535 02:03:01,520 --> 02:02:57,929 them appear to jump around 2536 02:03:04,040 --> 02:03:01,530 it has Carter ever indicated that if he 2537 02:03:06,470 --> 02:03:04,050 is aware of how the atmospheric layers 2538 02:03:08,899 --> 02:03:06,480 of the different densities that create 2539 02:03:11,899 --> 02:03:08,909 create this lensing effect it has he 2540 02:03:13,760 --> 02:03:11,909 ever like denied that that's what it 2541 02:03:15,020 --> 02:03:13,770 could could have been that he saw and 2542 02:03:17,720 --> 02:03:15,030 that's the first part of his question 2543 02:03:19,850 --> 02:03:17,730 the second part is have any other member 2544 02:03:22,910 --> 02:03:19,860 of the crowd Jimmy Carter was lived when 2545 02:03:25,070 --> 02:03:22,920 he saw is UFO ever spoken about exactly 2546 02:03:27,919 --> 02:03:25,080 what they saw and if it had been truly 2547 02:03:30,280 --> 02:03:27,929 anomalous good question I've never heard 2548 02:03:33,470 --> 02:03:30,290 anybody else verify his buddy 2549 02:03:36,740 --> 02:03:33,480 that is a good question and it's the the 2550 02:03:40,370 --> 02:03:36,750 second half this is what I'm referring 2551 02:03:44,600 --> 02:03:40,380 to it is a good question in in studying 2552 02:03:48,379 --> 02:03:44,610 Carter and and in his sighting there 2553 02:03:52,160 --> 02:03:48,389 were a number of men that were standing 2554 02:03:54,379 --> 02:03:52,170 outside of this restaurant or wherever I 2555 02:04:00,070 --> 02:03:54,389 think it was a restaurant in Leary 2556 02:04:04,160 --> 02:04:00,080 Georgia and and saw this thing and I 2557 02:04:05,880 --> 02:04:04,170 don't know I can't remember for sure if 2558 02:04:08,400 --> 02:04:05,890 anyone else this 2559 02:04:12,210 --> 02:04:08,410 pocono devoted it seems to me that I did 2560 02:04:14,430 --> 02:04:12,220 read somewhere that that that one of the 2561 02:04:17,510 --> 02:04:14,440 people or perhaps two of the people that 2562 02:04:22,470 --> 02:04:17,520 were there did say yes they saw it they 2563 02:04:28,850 --> 02:04:22,480 verified what Carter said and and and he 2564 02:04:32,040 --> 02:04:28,860 did he did go into some details and and 2565 02:04:35,250 --> 02:04:32,050 Carter was an amateur astronomer and he 2566 02:04:38,010 --> 02:04:35,260 said he knew the Stars and he knew 2567 02:04:43,020 --> 02:04:38,020 astronomy and this wasn't any star and 2568 02:04:44,910 --> 02:04:43,030 that it was far too big and I don't know 2569 02:04:47,220 --> 02:04:44,920 that he's ever that he ever said 2570 02:04:49,050 --> 02:04:47,230 anything about the atmosphere causing it 2571 02:04:52,020 --> 02:04:49,060 to change color but it certainly did 2572 02:04:54,480 --> 02:04:52,030 change color I forget from white to 2573 02:04:56,820 --> 02:04:54,490 yellow to blue or something in that you 2574 02:05:04,230 --> 02:04:56,830 know something in that of that nature 2575 02:05:06,240 --> 02:05:04,240 but it did change color it boy I'm 2576 02:05:08,910 --> 02:05:06,250 trying to remember exactly what he said 2577 02:05:11,790 --> 02:05:08,920 as far as the movement of it I'm having 2578 02:05:15,390 --> 02:05:11,800 a hard time recalling exactly what his 2579 02:05:19,590 --> 02:05:15,400 what his description of how it moved or 2580 02:05:21,660 --> 02:05:19,600 it didn't move in relation to a star but 2581 02:05:23,910 --> 02:05:21,670 he was convinced it was he knew it was 2582 02:05:25,830 --> 02:05:23,920 no star he said flat out it was no star 2583 02:05:28,620 --> 02:05:25,840 he didn't know what he was and he said 2584 02:05:31,400 --> 02:05:28,630 I'm not saying that I don't I think he 2585 02:05:33,630 --> 02:05:31,410 said I don't say or think that it was 2586 02:05:35,610 --> 02:05:33,640 extraterrestrial but I certainly don't 2587 02:05:38,310 --> 02:05:35,620 have any indication of what it was and 2588 02:05:41,670 --> 02:05:38,320 it was extremely unusual so it was a 2589 02:05:44,730 --> 02:05:41,680 pretty good sighting but no I don't 2590 02:05:46,860 --> 02:05:44,740 remember him seeing anything about any 2591 02:05:49,530 --> 02:05:46,870 effects of the atmosphere on it causing 2592 02:05:51,720 --> 02:05:49,540 it to change color but it certainly was 2593 02:05:54,300 --> 02:05:51,730 well that that's been one theory that's 2594 02:05:55,710 --> 02:05:54,310 been posed by our country and the 2595 02:05:58,680 --> 02:05:55,720 bunkers over the years to try to 2596 02:06:01,530 --> 02:05:58,690 downplay the importance of you know and 2597 02:06:04,680 --> 02:06:01,540 you to be President on president having 2598 02:06:08,340 --> 02:06:04,690 a pretty spectacular Society well but 2599 02:06:12,630 --> 02:06:08,350 you know postal Wars goes on and is 2600 02:06:15,150 --> 02:06:12,640 wondering kind of musing here about 2601 02:06:17,460 --> 02:06:15,160 Carter clamming up once he became 2602 02:06:19,319 --> 02:06:17,470 president and he's wondering if maybe 2603 02:06:22,439 --> 02:06:19,329 the Air Force had 2604 02:06:24,689 --> 02:06:22,449 told him some secret findings but it CIA 2605 02:06:28,439 --> 02:06:24,699 possibly that possibly they include him 2606 02:06:30,750 --> 02:06:28,449 in to some information he wouldn't have 2607 02:06:32,450 --> 02:06:30,760 otherwise been given if he wasn't 2608 02:06:35,669 --> 02:06:32,460 president and that's what essentially 2609 02:06:37,890 --> 02:06:35,679 shut him up and made him play it down in 2610 02:06:40,410 --> 02:06:37,900 later years what do you feelings on that 2611 02:06:41,580 --> 02:06:40,420 and why the turnaround I mean Jimmy 2612 02:06:44,129 --> 02:06:41,590 really was into it 2613 02:06:46,709 --> 02:06:44,139 we touched on that a little earlier yeah 2614 02:06:49,350 --> 02:06:46,719 I think they were I think the keepers of 2615 02:06:53,390 --> 02:06:49,360 the secret if you will or concerned 2616 02:06:56,899 --> 02:06:53,400 about corridor but my speculation is 2617 02:07:01,770 --> 02:06:56,909 yeah they got to him and said okay 2618 02:07:03,359 --> 02:07:01,780 here's here's some basics and if this is 2619 02:07:06,330 --> 02:07:03,369 revealed to the public there could be 2620 02:07:09,479 --> 02:07:06,340 dire consequences something along those 2621 02:07:11,970 --> 02:07:09,489 lines and I think that the the our 2622 02:07:14,250 --> 02:07:11,980 intelligence folks got to him and said 2623 02:07:16,649 --> 02:07:14,260 mr. president this is just something you 2624 02:07:18,149 --> 02:07:16,659 should stay away from let's move to a 2625 02:07:19,950 --> 02:07:18,159 couple of other presidents here because 2626 02:07:22,260 --> 02:07:19,960 we don't have a lot of time we have two 2627 02:07:24,270 --> 02:07:22,270 and a half seconds left of the show time 2628 02:07:26,129 --> 02:07:24,280 really flies and I know we haven't 2629 02:07:27,899 --> 02:07:26,139 covered near the ground we wanted to 2630 02:07:29,549 --> 02:07:27,909 cover but let me just ask you very 2631 02:07:32,700 --> 02:07:29,559 quickly here and let's go through them 2632 02:07:35,490 --> 02:07:32,710 all right Clinton now we know that his 2633 02:07:38,609 --> 02:07:35,500 last chief of staff John Podesta 2634 02:07:41,580 --> 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02:15:17,739 great deal of knowledge from both his 2800 02:15:23,070 --> 02:15:20,409 dad and Dick Cheney 2801 02:15:25,830 --> 02:15:23,080 I think Cheney you know Bush was asked 2802 02:15:29,189 --> 02:15:25,840 what he doing but UFOs and he said go 2803 02:15:33,030 --> 02:15:29,199 ask Cheney well the smart money so to 2804 02:15:35,270 --> 02:15:33,040 speak is that Rumsfeld and Cheney were 2805 02:15:40,979 --> 02:15:35,280 really in the loop those who were really 2806 02:15:43,229 --> 02:15:40,989 really in with the the insiders own 2807 02:15:47,790 --> 02:15:43,239 knowledge of UFOs as a matter of fact I 2808 02:15:52,500 --> 02:15:47,800 found a letter high in one of the 2809 02:15:57,209 --> 02:15:52,510 presidential libraries from Donald Kehoe 2810 02:16:00,209 --> 02:15:57,219 could Don Rumsfeld telling Don Rumsfeld 2811 02:16:04,169 --> 02:16:00,219 that he would certainly keep when when 2812 02:16:06,390 --> 02:16:04,179 Rumsfeld was chief of staff to President 2813 02:16:08,280 --> 02:16:06,400 Ford that he'd certainly keep him 2814 02:16:10,979 --> 02:16:08,290 informed of anything that 2815 02:16:16,020 --> 02:16:10,989 nycap found out that his organization 2816 02:16:17,879 --> 02:16:16,030 night cap found out and it was enclosing 2817 02:16:20,850 --> 02:16:17,889 some documents and what-have-you and 2818 02:16:23,340 --> 02:16:20,860 Rumsfeld wrote back to him and said I 2819 02:16:26,609 --> 02:16:23,350 appreciate you doing that for me I've 2820 02:16:30,629 --> 02:16:26,619 done very much thanks a lot for for all 2821 02:16:34,980 --> 02:16:30,639 your help well here's the chief of staff 2822 02:16:38,099 --> 02:16:34,990 to the president Jerry Ford writing the 2823 02:16:41,310 --> 02:16:38,109 head of the national investigations 2824 02:16:43,679 --> 02:16:41,320 committee on aerial phenomena thanking 2825 02:16:45,450 --> 02:16:43,689 him for keeping him informed of what 2826 02:16:50,160 --> 02:16:45,460 they were finding out now was that just 2827 02:16:52,440 --> 02:16:50,170 was he just was he doing that for for 2828 02:16:54,750 --> 02:16:52,450 the President and officially or was he 2829 02:16:57,330 --> 02:16:54,760 just doing a note of personal fury 2830 02:17:00,360 --> 02:16:57,340 I see I wrote a letter I sent an email 2831 02:17:04,379 --> 02:17:00,370 to Rumsfeld's office and asked if he 2832 02:17:06,750 --> 02:17:04,389 would reply to this letter that I found 2833 02:17:10,950 --> 02:17:06,760 and when I was writing in my book about 2834 02:17:13,379 --> 02:17:10,960 it and his secretary wrote back and said 2835 02:17:17,759 --> 02:17:13,389 if you would send mr. Rumsfeld or 2836 02:17:20,429 --> 02:17:17,769 secretary Rumsfeld the chapter that is 2837 02:17:21,959 --> 02:17:20,439 in your book he will review it and 2838 02:17:23,940 --> 02:17:21,969 decide whether he wants to get back to 2839 02:17:25,410 --> 02:17:23,950 you now and I never heard back from as a 2840 02:17:27,540 --> 02:17:25,420 matter of fact I did hear back from her 2841 02:17:29,160 --> 02:17:27,550 that said did you copied everything and 2842 02:17:30,750 --> 02:17:29,170 put it on his book desk but I never 2843 02:17:32,459 --> 02:17:30,760 heard anything back from him which is 2844 02:17:36,030 --> 02:17:32,469 not Fryzel 2845 02:17:38,940 --> 02:17:36,040 as a matter of history so Donald Kehoe 2846 02:17:41,309 --> 02:17:38,950 is no longer director of NICAP in the 2847 02:17:44,719 --> 02:17:41,319 70s when Ford was president in fact 2848 02:17:47,639 --> 02:17:44,729 nycap is pretty much downhill from there 2849 02:17:49,230 --> 02:17:47,649 just a historical perspective even 2850 02:17:51,360 --> 02:17:49,240 though Kehoe was still active in the 2851 02:17:54,750 --> 02:17:51,370 field I met him in those years I 2852 02:17:56,759 --> 02:17:54,760 interviewed him so I know he was still 2853 02:18:00,629 --> 02:17:56,769 writing books and everything and giving 2854 02:18:04,139 --> 02:18:00,639 lectures but NICAP you know I may have 2855 02:18:08,219 --> 02:18:04,149 this I may have a just catching the 2856 02:18:10,349 --> 02:18:08,229 letter I believe was not from Tokyo yeah 2857 02:18:14,549 --> 02:18:10,359 you're right it was from J Allen Hynek 2858 02:18:17,790 --> 02:18:14,559 the Rumsfeld I believe that's the case 2859 02:18:20,429 --> 02:18:17,800 and when he was Center for UFO studies I 2860 02:18:24,809 --> 02:18:20,439 think that's what he was I think it was 2861 02:18:27,870 --> 02:18:24,819 Allen honey I try to think that Kehoe at 2862 02:18:30,900 --> 02:18:27,880 that point it was made no effort to 2863 02:18:36,900 --> 02:18:30,910 contact somebody like Rumsfeld not at 2864 02:18:38,250 --> 02:18:36,910 all we can call them Blofeld see if I 2865 02:18:41,339 --> 02:18:38,260 could come up with real quick I think 2866 02:18:44,339 --> 02:18:41,349 that's uh oh wait a minute I've got it 2867 02:18:46,410 --> 02:18:44,349 yeah dear Don and keeping New York I 2868 02:18:50,700 --> 02:18:46,420 request to being kept informed or so on 2869 02:18:52,620 --> 02:18:50,710 so forth best regards Allen and Rumsfeld 2870 02:18:54,330 --> 02:18:52,630 writes back dear Alan thanks for your 2871 02:18:56,820 --> 02:18:54,340 thoughtful vote and materials concerning 2872 02:18:59,580 --> 02:18:56,830 the UFO phenomena appreciate singing 2873 02:19:02,219 --> 02:18:59,590 closure sincerely Donald Rumsfeld so 2874 02:19:03,839 --> 02:19:02,229 yeah it was Allen Hynek okay he got that 2875 02:19:06,240 --> 02:19:03,849 we got that straight now I'm glad about 2876 02:19:06,860 --> 02:19:06,250 you yes I appreciate you bringing it up 2877 02:19:12,259 --> 02:19:06,870 that was 2878 02:19:14,270 --> 02:19:12,269 not much younger I don't think but I 2879 02:19:16,639 --> 02:19:14,280 knew Kehoe so that's how it goes all 2880 02:19:17,870 --> 02:19:16,649 right let's move to one more thing 2881 02:19:19,639 --> 02:19:17,880 before we see if we have any more 2882 02:19:22,940 --> 02:19:19,649 questions in the till and the obvious 2883 02:19:25,849 --> 02:19:22,950 thing is the guy who's there now Obama 2884 02:19:26,209 --> 02:19:25,859 right does he know anything about any of 2885 02:19:29,950 --> 02:19:26,219 this 2886 02:19:34,910 --> 02:19:29,960 I doubt it not to any degree a 2887 02:19:37,490 --> 02:19:34,920 snowball's chance in where yeah no I 2888 02:19:41,900 --> 02:19:37,500 don't I don't think the keepers of the 2889 02:19:45,860 --> 02:19:41,910 secrets if you don't mind me using that 2890 02:19:48,800 --> 02:19:45,870 phrase IIIi don't think that that they 2891 02:19:51,560 --> 02:19:48,810 would trust President Obama I don't 2892 02:19:53,900 --> 02:19:51,570 doubt that he hadn't been briefed to 2893 02:19:59,060 --> 02:19:53,910 some degree but I certainly don't think 2894 02:20:03,410 --> 02:19:59,070 it in any depth because I just don't 2895 02:20:06,880 --> 02:20:03,420 think he's trusting and he's a me of 2896 02:20:11,660 --> 02:20:06,890 military authorities don't trust him I 2897 02:20:14,060 --> 02:20:11,670 don't think that what I the the group 2898 02:20:17,090 --> 02:20:14,070 that I call the keepers of the secrets 2899 02:20:20,050 --> 02:20:17,100 trust him and that is the people that 2900 02:20:26,030 --> 02:20:20,060 have the information and those that can 2901 02:20:28,760 --> 02:20:26,040 release the information would they feel 2902 02:20:31,840 --> 02:20:28,770 them that he would reveal something if 2903 02:20:34,940 --> 02:20:31,850 he knew I think that's possible yeah 2904 02:20:36,830 --> 02:20:34,950 yeah we have said the same thing about 2905 02:20:39,380 --> 02:20:36,840 President Clinton and I'm going to ask 2906 02:20:42,020 --> 02:20:39,390 you another question here which is goes 2907 02:20:43,730 --> 02:20:42,030 back to the conspiracy of Watergate 2908 02:20:46,280 --> 02:20:43,740 that's something I kind of made up let 2909 02:20:49,429 --> 02:20:46,290 me be frank about it but if we're gonna 2910 02:20:53,270 --> 02:20:49,439 have efforts to stop disclosure of the 2911 02:20:57,730 --> 02:20:53,280 secret and we know that President 2912 02:21:00,080 --> 02:20:57,740 Clinton had an affinity towards 2913 02:21:05,800 --> 02:21:00,090 skirt-chasing as they say which a lot of 2914 02:21:10,099 --> 02:21:05,810 presidents did would the Monica Lewinsky 2915 02:21:12,830 --> 02:21:10,109 revelation be another way to sidetrack 2916 02:21:18,320 --> 02:21:12,840 any revelation about UFOs I mean it's 2917 02:21:23,599 --> 02:21:18,330 the same theory oh it could be but I 2918 02:21:26,150 --> 02:21:23,609 think that that there's a reason I asked 2919 02:21:28,670 --> 02:21:26,160 that but go ahead who's puttin the who 2920 02:21:30,920 --> 02:21:28,680 what president is in the loop of 2921 02:21:33,349 --> 02:21:30,930 knowledge and had deeply they're in the 2922 02:21:40,810 --> 02:21:33,359 loop of knowledge is controlled by a 2923 02:21:43,340 --> 02:21:40,820 very few people the military very few 2924 02:21:47,150 --> 02:21:43,350 find out how can I say this very quickly 2925 02:21:50,389 --> 02:21:47,160 I had a I have a friend a retired bird 2926 02:21:55,070 --> 02:21:50,399 colonel in the Air Force who has it's 2927 02:21:57,530 --> 02:21:55,080 been a done work as a lobbyist in 2928 02:21:59,090 --> 02:21:57,540 Washington and has close friends that he 2929 02:22:01,250 --> 02:21:59,100 came up in the Air Force with although 2930 02:22:03,110 --> 02:22:01,260 he's not a general he has a number of 2931 02:22:05,650 --> 02:22:03,120 general options that he's close friends 2932 02:22:08,300 --> 02:22:05,660 with including a couple of four stars 2933 02:22:12,770 --> 02:22:08,310 some three stars and some two stars 2934 02:22:14,480 --> 02:22:12,780 he wrote each one of them about when I 2935 02:22:18,349 --> 02:22:14,490 was doing this book they would be 2936 02:22:21,710 --> 02:22:18,359 interested to comment on their knowledge 2937 02:22:23,330 --> 02:22:21,720 of UFOs everyone wrote back to him said 2938 02:22:25,599 --> 02:22:23,340 sure they'd be glad to talk know 2939 02:22:28,160 --> 02:22:25,609 all but one wrote back to him and said 2940 02:22:29,840 --> 02:22:28,170 John I'll be glad to talk to Larry 2941 02:22:32,810 --> 02:22:29,850 that's no problem at all but probably 2942 02:22:34,730 --> 02:22:32,820 well I don't really know they said you 2943 02:22:36,440 --> 02:22:34,740 know one of them said I really am 2944 02:22:39,530 --> 02:22:36,450 interested in the subject but I don't 2945 02:22:42,860 --> 02:22:39,540 know you talk to me a four-star general 2946 02:22:45,099 --> 02:22:42,870 the one that wrote back and said I don't 2947 02:22:50,770 --> 02:22:45,109 want anything to do with this assumption 2948 02:22:56,920 --> 02:22:50,780 was a two-star general that was head of 2949 02:23:00,620 --> 02:22:56,930 a command that would know about every 2950 02:23:03,260 --> 02:23:00,630 object that came in their atmosphere I 2951 02:23:04,670 --> 02:23:03,270 really probably for the sake of John 2952 02:23:06,650 --> 02:23:04,680 don't want to go any farther than that 2953 02:23:09,320 --> 02:23:06,660 with what he but you can guess what he 2954 02:23:14,389 --> 02:23:09,330 was who what he was in command didn't 2955 02:23:17,380 --> 02:23:14,399 want to touch it the reason I asked my 2956 02:23:20,551 --> 02:23:17,390 silly question before is if a president 2957 02:23:24,011 --> 02:23:20,561 despite everything 2958 02:23:27,400 --> 02:23:24,021 threatens or is in danger of revealing 2959 02:23:30,430 --> 02:23:27,410 this secret about UFOs would they do 2960 02:23:33,150 --> 02:23:30,440 things politically to stop him cause a 2961 02:23:36,220 --> 02:23:33,160 scandal or something deflect attention 2962 02:23:39,820 --> 02:23:36,230 show him that if you say the wrong thing 2963 02:23:44,591 --> 02:23:39,830 we know about it and we're gonna stop it 2964 02:23:46,301 --> 02:23:44,601 all of you both and more Wow well that 2965 02:23:48,430 --> 02:23:46,311 that leads to a question here from Dave 2966 02:23:50,711 --> 02:23:48,440 Anne and he says some presidents like 2967 02:23:52,990 --> 02:23:50,721 Clinton being genuinely interested in 2968 02:23:55,511 --> 02:23:53,000 the UFO question if these presidents 2969 02:23:58,211 --> 02:23:55,521 can't get answers due to some sort of 2970 02:24:00,341 --> 02:23:58,221 need to know why don't they just force 2971 02:24:03,640 --> 02:24:00,351 these issues such as sending a task 2972 02:24:05,950 --> 02:24:03,650 force the area 51's more in demand an 2973 02:24:07,841 --> 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cut costs and 3086 02:28:57,439 --> 02:28:50,670 [Music] 3087 02:29:00,019 --> 02:28:57,449 on the power cast with Gina and Chris 3088 02:29:02,239 --> 02:29:00,029 Chris being at a secret location Sedona 3089 02:29:05,809 --> 02:29:02,249 which changes momentarily 3090 02:29:07,849 --> 02:29:05,819 Larry Holcomb joining us okay so the 3091 02:29:10,630 --> 02:29:07,859 question that Chris asked kind of 3092 02:29:14,269 --> 02:29:10,640 follows my question I think very much so 3093 02:29:16,639 --> 02:29:14,279 about the president being what's the 3094 02:29:18,169 --> 02:29:16,649 issue cap source and break down the gate 3095 02:29:22,699 --> 02:29:18,179 to say we want to know what's going on 3096 02:29:25,669 --> 02:29:22,709 here well you you really you're starting 3097 02:29:28,789 --> 02:29:25,679 to get into an area where the president 3098 02:29:32,449 --> 02:29:28,799 is is he's the commander in chief but 3099 02:29:36,079 --> 02:29:32,459 he's sort of taking over that would be a 3100 02:29:42,409 --> 02:29:36,089 very radical move for for any president 3101 02:29:44,869 --> 02:29:42,419 to make to go against his military like 3102 02:29:48,109 --> 02:29:44,879 that because these things are controlled 3103 02:29:49,789 --> 02:29:48,119 by the military to begin with oh you 3104 02:29:54,949 --> 02:29:49,799 know you're talking about the area 51 3105 02:29:57,199 --> 02:29:54,959 which i think is that's a red Aryan I 3106 02:30:00,169 --> 02:29:57,209 mean yeah I think I think that that's 3107 02:30:01,999 --> 02:30:00,179 that's that's a more of a farce if 3108 02:30:04,429 --> 02:30:02,009 they've got artifacts anywhere it's 3109 02:30:06,889 --> 02:30:04,439 probably somewhere like Dugway I think 3110 02:30:08,749 --> 02:30:06,899 that they use area 51 as a diversion but 3111 02:30:11,269 --> 02:30:08,759 he's right left with other subject we 3112 02:30:13,399 --> 02:30:11,279 got this this subjective element we'll a 3113 02:30:15,439 --> 02:30:13,409 lot of this information Larry is 3114 02:30:19,069 --> 02:30:15,449 probably held in the private sector out 3115 02:30:21,079 --> 02:30:19,079 of reach of fyn out of reach of uh you 3116 02:30:23,090 --> 02:30:21,089 know just enquiring minds and government 3117 02:30:25,880 --> 02:30:23,100 oversight I mean what you living it 3118 02:30:29,059 --> 02:30:25,890 really you you need after you can't fo 3119 02:30:32,739 --> 02:30:29,069 ia you know McDonnell Douglas or you 3120 02:30:36,639 --> 02:30:32,749 take McDonnell Douglas or TRW systems or 3121 02:30:39,079 --> 02:30:36,649 Lockheed Martin they're so good at 3122 02:30:41,510 --> 02:30:39,089 security that's so good at keeping 3123 02:30:44,719 --> 02:30:41,520 keeping secrets they're better than the 3124 02:30:45,889 --> 02:30:44,729 government so yeah I think you're I 3125 02:30:48,649 --> 02:30:45,899 think you're exactly right 3126 02:30:51,499 --> 02:30:48,659 this information they make up or they 3127 02:30:53,430 --> 02:30:51,509 make up they have a group of people that 3128 02:30:56,881 --> 02:30:53,440 are part of this core we 3129 02:30:59,131 --> 02:30:56,891 that we have been talking although Chris 3130 02:31:01,020 --> 02:30:59,141 any more questions we pretty much 3131 02:31:03,211 --> 02:31:01,030 covered covered them all you know 3132 02:31:05,100 --> 02:31:03,221 obviously some of our you know prior 3133 02:31:08,041 --> 02:31:05,110 segments went over some of the material 3134 02:31:11,371 --> 02:31:08,051 that we would now just be kind of 3135 02:31:13,700 --> 02:31:11,381 regurgitating here but yeah pretty much 3136 02:31:18,121 --> 02:31:13,710 I think we've covered the bulk of it 3137 02:31:19,560 --> 02:31:18,131 so Larry since the book you saw in the 3138 02:31:23,511 --> 02:31:19,570 book is anyone come to you from the 3139 02:31:26,520 --> 02:31:23,521 government and said hey don't do this 3140 02:31:31,411 --> 02:31:26,530 know that oh yeah I don't I don't 3141 02:31:35,070 --> 02:31:31,421 anticipate it it it's it's a lot of the 3142 02:31:37,921 --> 02:31:35,080 things that I talked about or directly 3143 02:31:41,131 --> 02:31:37,931 that the I think what I call the casual 3144 02:31:43,950 --> 02:31:41,141 observer and well most of the stuff this 3145 02:31:47,011 --> 02:31:43,960 if people will dig dig it's been it's 3146 02:31:49,501 --> 02:31:47,021 been out there there are some new things 3147 02:31:52,890 --> 02:31:49,511 in the book there's some sightings that 3148 02:31:55,711 --> 02:31:52,900 I put the people have related to me and 3149 02:31:58,560 --> 02:31:55,721 but no I haven't been threatened and I 3150 02:32:00,961 --> 02:31:58,570 don't I don't think that that no no men 3151 02:32:03,780 --> 02:32:00,971 in dayz join up with tanzanite suitcase 3152 02:32:06,001 --> 02:32:03,790 filled with hundred-dollar bills yet no 3153 02:32:08,131 --> 02:32:06,011 that can wait for them to show up in my 3154 02:32:09,871 --> 02:32:08,141 house man oh you can do close to the 3155 02:32:14,640 --> 02:32:09,881 truth mr. O'Brien 3156 02:32:18,480 --> 02:32:14,650 this should dissuade you yeah like I'm 3157 02:32:22,371 --> 02:32:18,490 not still hoping and waiting but like my 3158 02:32:28,680 --> 02:32:22,381 my friend Stanton Friedman said when the 3159 02:32:30,360 --> 02:32:28,690 Majestic documents came out the and he 3160 02:32:33,030 --> 02:32:30,370 said yeah wish the government would 3161 02:32:40,610 --> 02:32:33,040 arrest me because that would prove it's 3162 02:32:42,751 --> 02:32:40,620 all true but you know there's one 3163 02:32:45,511 --> 02:32:42,761 there's so many things that you can talk 3164 02:32:49,610 --> 02:32:45,521 about here we got any time well oh we 3165 02:32:53,041 --> 02:32:49,620 have maybe I'd say about five minutes I 3166 02:32:55,860 --> 02:32:53,051 one thing I wanted to bring up that that 3167 02:32:58,501 --> 02:32:55,870 really tickles me every time I think 3168 02:33:00,930 --> 02:32:58,511 about it you know we we haven't talked 3169 02:33:03,661 --> 02:33:00,940 about the Condon report but the the the 3170 02:33:05,940 --> 02:33:03,671 ever do Condon that wrote these is the 3171 02:33:06,580 --> 02:33:05,950 kind of report on the findings of the 3172 02:33:09,639 --> 02:33:06,590 car 3173 02:33:11,620 --> 02:33:09,649 project which was a somebody said was 3174 02:33:14,740 --> 02:33:11,630 the most or one scientists read it said 3175 02:33:16,929 --> 02:33:14,750 it was the most bias Pisa most 3176 02:33:19,059 --> 02:33:16,939 scientific work he'd ever seen well 3177 02:33:20,019 --> 02:33:19,069 let's let's call it a was a whitewash I 3178 02:33:23,109 --> 02:33:20,029 mean let's get real 3179 02:33:27,040 --> 02:33:23,119 it was it was a whitewash and they came 3180 02:33:29,500 --> 02:33:27,050 in which the kind of report said for 3181 02:33:32,439 --> 02:33:29,510 people that don't know said that in 3182 02:33:35,530 --> 02:33:32,449 essence after reviewing this for two 3183 02:33:37,990 --> 02:33:35,540 years we see that there's nothing to the 3184 02:33:40,359 --> 02:33:38,000 subject of UFOs they they're nothing but 3185 02:33:42,790 --> 02:33:40,369 something prosaic there's nothing to an 3186 02:33:45,280 --> 02:33:42,800 Air Force ought to stop investigating no 3187 02:33:48,280 --> 02:33:45,290 he didn't quite say that the report said 3188 02:33:50,769 --> 02:33:48,290 that they don't find it be a something 3189 02:33:53,889 --> 02:33:50,779 that should be concerned national 3190 02:33:55,389 --> 02:33:53,899 security there's nothing they didn't 3191 02:33:56,309 --> 02:33:55,399 find any sort of threat to national 3192 02:33:59,019 --> 02:33:56,319 security 3193 02:34:01,569 --> 02:33:59,029 it was pretty carefully worded if you 3194 02:34:04,240 --> 02:34:01,579 remember well he but he did recommend 3195 02:34:07,179 --> 02:34:04,250 the the Air Force completely dropping it 3196 02:34:09,399 --> 02:34:07,189 and the NS and they did they drop 3197 02:34:12,630 --> 02:34:09,409 Project Blue Book altogether that was 3198 02:34:14,800 --> 02:34:12,640 the kind of a report made the Air Force 3199 02:34:16,569 --> 02:34:14,810 enabled the Air Force just to do away 3200 02:34:19,359 --> 02:34:16,579 with slides like Blue Book which was no 3201 02:34:23,290 --> 02:34:19,369 because it was much later move on 3202 02:34:27,460 --> 02:34:23,300 started but what's funny is conda's 3203 02:34:30,099 --> 02:34:27,470 report comes out and just up the road in 3204 02:34:32,530 --> 02:34:30,109 Colorado Springs Colorado as the Air 3205 02:34:35,889 --> 02:34:32,540 Force Academy and the Air Force Academy 3206 02:34:38,349 --> 02:34:35,899 is teaching their cadets in a course 3207 02:34:40,569 --> 02:34:38,359 called introductory to space science 3208 02:34:42,700 --> 02:34:40,579 something like that well they had a 3209 02:34:47,500 --> 02:34:42,710 textbook introductory Space Science Vol 3210 02:34:51,160 --> 02:34:47,510 to Department of Physics and chapter 33 3211 02:34:56,729 --> 02:34:51,170 is unidentified flying aren't you and it 3212 02:35:01,149 --> 02:34:56,739 goes 33 34 pages and and in this summary 3213 02:35:05,939 --> 02:35:01,159 they are saying that there could be as 3214 02:35:09,490 --> 02:35:05,949 many as three to four alien races 3215 02:35:14,139 --> 02:35:09,500 visiting earth and then they go on to 3216 02:35:16,420 --> 02:35:14,149 say you should not draw strong opinions 3217 02:35:19,640 --> 02:35:16,430 on either side of the issue but keep an 3218 02:35:23,421 --> 02:35:19,650 open mind so here's the kind 3219 02:35:27,051 --> 02:35:23,431 report comes out that Condit and the 3220 02:35:29,121 --> 02:35:27,061 University of Colorado has paid a half a 3221 02:35:31,640 --> 02:35:29,131 million dollars to the Air Force is 3222 02:35:33,110 --> 02:35:31,650 turning back Phillips of joy went right 3223 02:35:35,511 --> 02:35:33,120 up the road at the Air Force Academy 3224 02:35:39,200 --> 02:35:35,521 that teaches their own students is that 3225 02:35:40,280 --> 02:35:39,210 could be full races of alien ETS 3226 02:35:42,740 --> 02:35:40,290 visiting earth 3227 02:35:45,890 --> 02:35:42,750 I think it's not it just brings me up 3228 02:35:51,020 --> 02:35:45,900 every time I think of it it's it's 3229 02:35:53,570 --> 02:35:51,030 classic the Air Force in for so many 3230 02:35:55,461 --> 02:35:53,580 years and and and please anybody that's 3231 02:35:57,350 --> 02:35:55,471 been there don't get me wrong I love the 3232 02:36:00,020 --> 02:35:57,360 military I don't love the Air Force I 3233 02:36:03,200 --> 02:36:00,030 think it's a fine branch of government 3234 02:36:04,850 --> 02:36:03,210 but I think that they have done some 3235 02:36:07,690 --> 02:36:04,860 within the Air Force have done some 3236 02:36:15,440 --> 02:36:07,700 really stupid stuff over the years 3237 02:36:20,150 --> 02:36:15,450 anyway I'll get off my soapbox good 3238 02:36:24,530 --> 02:36:20,160 point good point well anymore it's just 3239 02:36:26,511 --> 02:36:24,540 it's it's incredible but that you had 3240 02:36:27,921 --> 02:36:26,521 these two events that happened and then 3241 02:36:31,791 --> 02:36:27,931 when the Air Force when this was laid 3242 02:36:34,841 --> 02:36:31,801 public Air Force withdrew the book and 3243 02:36:38,570 --> 02:36:34,851 took that part over republished it right 3244 02:36:41,360 --> 02:36:38,580 I can't wait for something to come along 3245 02:36:43,640 --> 02:36:41,370 and crack the NRO egg wide open because 3246 02:36:48,410 --> 02:36:43,650 that's where a lot of interesting stuff 3247 02:36:54,831 --> 02:36:48,420 is buried oh yeah yeah yeah there's no 3248 02:36:57,470 --> 02:36:54,841 question about it but in any case I I'm 3249 02:37:01,131 --> 02:36:57,480 sorry that you all didn't were able to 3250 02:37:04,940 --> 02:37:01,141 get the book or the the gallery in time 3251 02:37:07,761 --> 02:37:04,950 it is available now for pre-order at 3252 02:37:09,110 --> 02:37:07,771 Amazon and when it comes out we're 3253 02:37:11,091 --> 02:37:09,120 definitely gonna have you back there and 3254 02:37:13,400 --> 02:37:11,101 we'll have a chance to go through with 3255 02:37:15,440 --> 02:37:13,410 the fine-tooth comb and I'm sure well 3256 02:37:16,791 --> 02:37:15,450 we're gonna have a lot of interesting 3257 02:37:18,711 --> 02:37:16,801 questions from our listeners who are 3258 02:37:20,421 --> 02:37:18,721 very up to speed by the way we go 3259 02:37:22,970 --> 02:37:20,431 one of the most other ways we've seen 3260 02:37:26,381 --> 02:37:22,980 audiences by the way I see that you're a 3261 02:37:30,081 --> 02:37:26,391 Mac man and in looking at your bio and 3262 02:37:31,940 --> 02:37:30,091 yeah after 15 years of PC I finally 3263 02:37:36,211 --> 02:37:31,950 convert it to old Macs and 3264 02:37:39,570 --> 02:37:36,221 I'm working with a MacBook Pro iPad an 3265 02:37:42,511 --> 02:37:39,580 apple okay you've become one of us we 3266 02:37:43,830 --> 02:37:42,521 have assimilated you Larry Hall come to 3267 02:37:45,631 --> 02:37:43,840 you tell our listeners where they can 3268 02:37:53,841 --> 02:37:45,641 find work your stuff maybe check out 3269 02:38:00,841 --> 02:37:59,070 www.seannal.com and we'll look forward 3270 02:38:02,881 --> 02:38:00,851 to your book next year the presidents 3271 02:38:05,461 --> 02:38:02,891 and UFOs you can find Chris O'Brien 3272 02:38:08,040 --> 02:38:05,471 cited our strange planet calm our 3273 02:38:10,770 --> 02:38:08,050 strange planet calm and by the way we 3274 02:38:12,930 --> 02:38:10,780 have a free copy of Chris's book secrets 3275 02:38:15,631 --> 02:38:12,940 of the mysterious Valley we're still 3276 02:38:18,511 --> 02:38:15,641 giving it away the eBook version all you 3277 02:38:21,450 --> 02:38:18,521 do is go to a para cast calm that's the 3278 02:38:23,881 --> 02:38:21,460 para cast calm and you'll see a signup 3279 02:38:26,430 --> 02:38:23,891 form there for our weekly 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